Let’s talk about it — why don’t people want to work at church anymore?

In this episode of Conversations, I break down the real reasons behind the growing disinterest in vocational ministry — especially among Gen Z and millennials. Spoiler: it’s not a passion problem, it’s a perception problem.

From burnout and over-programming to outdated staffing models and reactive leadership, I unpack what’s pushing people away — and how we can lead differently.

You’ll learn:

What Barna’s data says about Gen Z and ministry in 2025

The 3 culture shifts that are driving staff turnover

Why influence and impact matter more than org charts

How to recruit leaders with vision, not just fill roles

What churches must do to attract, build, and keep high-capacity people

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If you’re a church leader or team builder, this episode will challenge how you think about leadership, recruitment, and calling in today’s world.