In this episode we’re joined by Francis Odum, founder and lead research analyst at Software Analyst Cyber Research. Drawing from his extensive research and conversations with CISOs, security operators, and vendors, Francis shares his insights on the state of identity security and the rise of non-human identities (NHI) in the cloud, why solving the data problem is critical to reducing false positives, improving SOC efficiency, and cutting costs, the early but growing landscape of AI and LLM security and its intersection with DSPM and data governance and predictions for 2025 trends, including what should be ditched and what the cybersecurity industry should prioritize.

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Questions asked:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:56) A bit about Francis

(03:45) What is CNAPP in 2025?

(06:55) The Identity space in 2025

(10:34) The state of SOC in 2025

(19:23) The AI Security Ecosystem

(24:44) DSPM vs DLP

(29:48) What should we ditch in 2025?

(33:01) What should we see a lot more in 2025?

(41:39) A bit about Cloud Security Bootcamp

(42:58) The Fun Section

Resources spoken about during the episode:

Software Analyst Cyber Research