Join therapist and host Malisa Hepner in conversation with Dr. Zoe Shaw—author, psychotherapist, and speaker—as they unpack the hidden layers of shame and its lasting impact on self-identity. Together, they explore the difference between simple and complex shame, how early relationships shape these patterns, and the role of self-forgiveness in recovery. Through expert insights and real-life stories, this episode offers practical tools and hope for untangling shame and embracing your authentic self.

Dr. Zoe Shaw's links: Website, Insta, Pre-order for book Stronger in the Difficult Places: Heal Your Relationship with Yourself by Untangling Complex Shame, Podcast

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