In this fascinating episode, Wes is joined by special guest Nate Pickowicz, pastor, author, and proud New Englander. Nate is known for numerous books, including "Reviving New England" and "Dear Titus: Letters on Church Planting" (with a chapter contributed by Wes). But Nate brings more than ideas to the table—he brings hard-earned insight from the frontlines of New England pastoral ministry. Wes and Nate talk about the cost and the calling of church planting, the convictions that drive them, and why they’re both committed to staying here for life and raising up the next generation of faithful shepherds. It’s a heartfelt, boots-on-the-ground conversation between two men who know the struggle, see the beauty, and believe the work is worth it.