The soil beneath your feet is a living system. So why do we treat it like dirt?
In this episode, Wendy and Harvey sit down with sustainability pioneer and transdisciplinary systems thinker Erin Dale — a woman who has spent 25 years at the intersection of clean energy, regenerative agriculture, social justice, and the kind of organizational thinking that actually moves things forward.
From breaking a 50-year energy contract in rural New Mexico, to building tribal energy sovereignty, to designing what a truly regenerative company might look like from the ground up — Erin is someone who doesn’t just study transformation. She architects it.
The conversation ranges wide: why solar is cheap but political, what precision agriculture can and can’t fix, how a farm worker should be able to talk to a CFO without fear, and what it actually means to scale something without losing its soul. Spoiler: it looks a lot less like owning more and a lot more like sharing well.
Wickedly Smart: Regenerative agriculture as a systems solution — for soil health, water savings, food nutrition, and community resilience. Woefully Stupid: That we keep applying industrial-scale thinking to problems that require relational, place-based ones.
We are in a Buckminster Fuller moment, Erin says. People have found their line in the sand — and they’re building the world they want on the other side of it.
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