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Stirling 0:11

Welcome to witchy wellness weekly if you love learning and interweaving health, self growth and making magic, this is the show for you. And when we come together This is where we share how to breathe magic into your daily practice with creative self care inspiration to empower your unique journey to easeful health through witchy wellness, so that you can remember that your health choice is always your own. We are here to empower your freewill to decide for yourself. I'm Sterling, your magical methods mentor, nature based medicine maker farm life purveyor and nerd for all things esoteric, you can find my alchemical experiments at WWW dot wild folk which muse.com We are joined by our co host. Hilary is a certified clinical Ayurvedic Practitioner with the eye of a fine artist specializing in customizing herbs, nutrition and habits that support your body's unique cyclical rhythms at WWW dot Wilde veda.com. To support this show, and we the creators or for behind the scenes content, early access a member only experiences come join the [email protected] slash witchy wellness. Our private community is a safe place to explore your inner magic, where you are the hero of your own story on a planet that is thriving. It's Prime Time to climb out of the broom closet, my friends, because our Earth needs your wild magic right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:33

Hello, everybody. Welcome back. Hi, Hilary. It's so lovely to see you. Happy full moon.

Stirling 2:41

So today, we are so excited to be talking about cleansing in a general sense. And in a much more specific sense. We for those of you who've tuned in before, we've talked about how we've done it wrong, how we have both done it very wrong, and how detrimental that can be to your health. And so today, we are going to pull from our collective wisdom and trial and error and talk about ways that we can cleanse ourselves all the different levels of ourselves that can also be very nourishing and regenerative and not totally crash and burn your own cycles. Yep. So on that note, why why should we cleanse? What is cleansing?

Hillary 3:51

Are you asking me are you? You go? Okay, cool. Sorry. I was like looking something up really like I'm, like, on this top on this subject matter is you're so prepared. I'm super prepared. But also I wanted to make sure I was like gonna say things in the right order. Because I think I think order of cleansing is incredibly important. And it's something like not everybody talks about one cleansing. So, yeah, you asked why is cleansing important? Correct? Yeah. So life gets really intense. And I think you know, life just goes and things happen and we get bogged down by things, but especially in this century that we're in. There's a lot happening and a lot, a lot of input. And when there's like too much excess input through all of our senses, we just get overloaded and our systems get like bogged down and like Gumby almost like like Mind, Body spirit kind of overwhelmed. And so, cleansing is like needed in order to reverse that. Because the clear of a channel We are the clear life becomes. And I think that's like the ultimate. The ultimate reason for cleansing is like, we want to feel clear and light and connected and vibrant and happy. Like that, I think is ultimately why people seek out cleansing is when you start feeling like heavy, lethargic, overwhelmed. That is, those are all signs, it's time to cleanse. So that's why it's important. So you can feel happy and light and vibrant. Did I answer that question? Or do you want me to go deeper into it? You answered a question Really? Well,

Stirling 5:57

I think that's perfect. I think also, for those of us that tend towards, like maybe the more manic end of the spectrum. Sometimes when I need to cleanse I sometimes I feel like I need to cleanse something about my reality or my body or myself or my mind when I'm feeling lethargic, like you said, but a lot of times, I'm actually further on the end towards the kind of overwhelm that comes with burnout or with like too much, or it's like a frazzled feeling really, like short circuiting electrically. And so cleansing is a way to, like re work the wiring. So the electricity isn't just frying me.

Hillary 6:45

Yes, totally. And I think like, that's a really important part because there is a very intricate dance between cleansing and nourishing. And I feel like a lot of us like you're definitely not alone in that like frazzled, frizzle nervy kind of situation, especially with like caffeine and hustle culture. And I think a lot of times people think that they need to cleanse their body because they're feeling that. But really nourishment is needed on the level of the body. And cleansing is needed on the level of like to do lists and mental stimulation.

Stirling 7:28

That's brilliant. That's really, really important. Because getting those two things backwards. Like I have done this before, I've gotten those two things backwards and thought, oh, what's going to help me get more centered is to focus on cleaning out my body, when actually that's not the level at which the overwhelm is happening. And I would be able to handle the mental or emotional or spiritual overlap whelm better if I had more support, physically, more grounding, more nutrients, more vitamins coming into my body to help my brain work better and actually doing something that's considered cleansing, but is depleting my stores can make it way worse.

Hillary 8:11

Right? Exactly, exactly. And like, what's been so popular, mainstream for a lot for a long time, meaning like, at least in my realm, like the last like five to 10 years has been actually like 10 years for sure has been like juice cleansing and purification and all of these different things, which there is definitely time in place for purification of the physical body. I do think it is really important to, you know, have like timeouts and time to cleanse. But I think more often than not, the people that are cleansing on that level are actually meeting like what we just talked about. And so we can talk about what that looks like.

Stirling 8:57

Yes, yes. Let's talk about what that what that looks like. And that's so interesting, because I personally attempted to do the Master Cleanse because I agreed with it philosophically or on principle, or it sounded like a great idea to me. And I didn't make it past the first couple days because I'm hypoglycemic, and I tend towards mania and I have a really fast metabolism and I'm super Vata, Vata, Pitta and I was basically on the verge of passing out which is fun for like 20 minutes and then it's not fun anymore.

Hillary 9:37

Yeah, yeah, that's so real. Yeah, I've definitely done the Master Cleanse before as well and did it in a really hilarious way which I'm we should definitely talk about these stories. But the short version is that I did the Master Cleanse. I did it for 10 days. I did like if people don't know The master cleanses it's where you make this this lemonade basically it's like water with lemon and cayenne and maple syrup. And it's really delicious It's lemonade is is really yummy. It's delicious but if you're if we are talking in like terms of IR VEDA and Sterling here is very much Vata, Pitta, which is air and fire. And if you add spicy lemonade, which is like fire fiery and also very light then over time she's just like driving her imbalance deeper and deeper. Same for me I am also I'm we have different like subtleties of our Constitution, but on a general level where both Vata Vata, Pitta, air, air and fire in space. And yes, I did that cleanse, I did it for 10 days, I ended the cleanse in the high desert, and I took acid on the last day, and rock climbed for about eight hours. Oh my god,

Stirling 11:08

how did you physically do that? Maybe you didn't, maybe you were hosting.

Hillary 11:15

No, I physically did it. I physically did it. And I felt great. So I thought, and that's the problem is like, sometimes these like very high, high chronic states or like high energy states. We feel really good in the moment. But and this is like when we're younger, it's like we have these stores and reserves of energy. And we were not educated around this. And so we're actually like severely depleting ourselves. But in the moment, you feel very high, and it feels very good. And you feel very connected to everything

Stirling 11:52

that is so real that is so real. It is literally like a high. It is like a reveal. Like for people who don't know, because they haven't experimented with mind altering substances, it is parallel to that it is basically the same, it feels like being high on a drug.

Hillary 12:07

Yeah. And then and then you add drugs to it. It's like that and it's in packs on so high, you will never want to come down. Which I very much relate to. I definitely had many years of also mind altering substances plus cleansing. So I loved the highs, never wanted to come down. But grounding all of that out is very important and not depleting those stores of energy that we have. And we misuse when we're younger because we're misinformed. So where was I going with that? Okay, so Master Cleanse doing these cleanses, because we think we need to cleanse our bodies when we're feeling overwhelmed, burnt out all these different things, when really what we need to do is take a step back out of this, like grind culture, where it's just like, if you're not producing, you're not, I don't know, worthy,

Stirling 13:12

valuable as a human contributing to society, which like actually, in nature, the only thing that does that the only thing that's constantly producing and not taking a break is cancer, or possibly some viruses, like there isn't actually anything else naturally occurring and it's balanced state that is always producing. Damn,

Hillary 13:38

that's some knowledge. Yeah, so that's really important point. I'm like kind of like but it's just guys drop it's over. Yeah, so realizing that and like also, you know, it's the full moon right now. So talking about cycles of things nature, their their natural cycles constantly of cleansing and building happens cleansing and building Like, right now the full moon just happened now the moon is waning, and then the moon will build again and it will it will be empty and then it will be full and empty. And then it'll be full. And this is like, microcosm, macrocosm, always talking about this. It's like, everything that happens on large scale also happens on a small scale. That being said, let's come back to cleansing. don't want to get too far away from that. So, I guess let's talk about how to how to properly cleanse our bodies how to properly cleanse our mental emotional selves, how to cleanse our spaces that we are in. And let's see what else what else do we want to talk about? cleanse? See,

Stirling 15:00

how do we differentiate between those three? You know, like, for me personally, I benefit so much from whichever one of those things I actually need. But I have struggled with determining which one it is. And also don't necessarily have the energy to do all three, or benefit from doing all three at the same time. So really being able to strategize like, wow, I feel something cluttered in my brain. Does that mean that I need to do some breath work and some journaling? Or do I just need to clean my room? Because it's a disaster? And I can't think because everything I own is on the floor in my peripheral vision.

Hillary 15:42

Yeah, yeah, it's a really good question. Um, it cut out a little bit in the very beginning, but I think you were saying like, does it have to? Do you need to do like breath work and cleansing of your space?

Stirling 15:54

Did you stay breathwork? Mostly just how to tell the difference? Which one do I actually need? If I have to, if I have to choose one, because I'm already so frazzled? I don't have the energy to do all the things, or maybe the resources or the time or the ability? How do I prioritize which kind of cleansing I actually need?

Hillary 16:13

Yeah, great question. So I would say first thing is like, even just listening to your language tells me a lot about what you need. And so let's talk about that. Though, like listening to the words that you're saying, like if you're telling the people around you or like your family or whatever, like, I'm really burnt out, I'm really frazzled. burnt out means you've been pushing too hard, and you've depleted your reserves. And now there's like a fire that's like burning in your system. That's like kind of burning through your reserves. So that even just that language tells me you need nourishment. Feeling frazzled means that your nerves, your nervous system is overwhelmed and like firing and like, probably from burnout and being dry. So then, that language also tells me nourishment is needed, at least like on a body systems, nervous system level. And I would say probably more often than not, most people, most I never talk at all, because some people really do need cleansing. And most people need deep nourishment. So that they can cleanse. If that makes sense. Yes, order of operations. That's super key. Yes. And then again, like always looking at what season you're in, what environment you're in, what kind of things but to simplify everything, it's like, what? Like, okay, what's going on in your body, you're very depleted, you're burnt out, we need to nourish. So this is like, sick, you can simplify and cleanse at the same time. So I would say more so than drinking green juice and like fasting and depleting your body, you actually just need to simplify and eat really nourishing wholesome meals, like on a schedule, where there's like, you're gonna have breakfast, you're gonna have lunch, you're gonna have dinner, it's going to be around the same time every day, it's going to be very simple. In IR VEDA they use like mano diets of kitri when there's overwhelmed patri is like a rice and mung bean, like, very easy to digest food, but it's giving you nourishment. And I would say like, this is a great starting place for people. Because it can get complicated and I think working with a practitioner is like very important for this. But if you want to just simplify, it's like simplify, simplify, simplify, nourish, simplify meals, and then like pulling back, like how do you cleanse your schedule and your space, and then just simplify your diet so that you're actually getting nourishment? Not depleting yourself further. Meanwhile, still pushing your schedule hardcore. I think I'm like talking to them very one long run on sentence. Totally fine. It's all making sense. Okay. Maybe you just channel without punctuation? Yeah, I think I channel without punctuation. But like, I think what I've done in the past, and what I see people do a lot is like, they're like, I need to cleanse because this is what I feel. And so they go like green juice and all the things but then they're still working their schedule just as hard. They're still trying to show up in the world just as much. And I would say first and foremost, like reducing the things that are unnecessary pull back. Clean up your schedule, clean up your spaces. Is that you reside in. And that means, like, let's talk about that for a second. Let's talk about cleansing our spaces so that our minds can relax and have space to not be so tempted to think that's but that's an important place to start. Let's start, please. Alright, that sounds nice. Yes, totally. So this is like getting really clear and honest with your schedule. And then scheduling, cleaning. Like maybe that's where you need to start. I would say, clean the spaces in your house like Marie Kondo stylee. Like do this, the art of the mat, the magic art of like tidying.

Stirling 20:48

Step one, so we're calling this step one overall cleanse plan for everybody. Step one,

Hillary 20:54

yeah, like, let's start with the spaces that we reside in. Instead of like, bullying our body into cleansing, let's like, let's clean our spaces. First. Let's air them out, let's open the windows, let's clean up clutter and piles and random things like take care of the mail that's piled up, take care of the dishes that are scattered around the house like, and if that's not your thing, like if that's not the issue, then don't worry about that. But if that is like part of your reality is clutter and messy spaces and spaces that don't actually help you to feel good spaces that feel overwhelming to you. Like, step one, let's like make ourselves let's put ourselves in a temple, like, in a temple is very pure, it's beautiful. Like, you come in and you feel a certain way. This like any sacred kind of space feels like that you enter it and it feels like wow, this is like it feels good to be in here. That's how our speed that's like how our spaces that we reside in should be, you should walk into your room and feel very excited to do the things that you do in your room. You should walk into your office and feel like this is functional space to work should walk into your kitchen and feel that your kitchen is set up for success. It has beautiful foods and spices and herbs and things that you love and that nourish you. Like temple all spaces temple.

Stirling 22:40

I love how similar that word is too simple and how you say them the same simple temple. This is all you need to know. The second episode for today is over

Hillary 22:57

totally. And like put some really awesome music on and like turn your spaces into a temple like that is what I do and then you and then you care take them as if it is so. So like, every day you do little straightening up every week you do deeper cleaning every month you do deeper cleaning, but like keeping your spaces clear and clean and high functioning so that that's not part of your overwhelm at all. That's step number one. Guy help guide me I get lost.

Stirling 23:35

That's perfect. That's perfect. Okay, so we've cleared away the clutter and the piles. And we have a really good clean slate for physical space. So now how do we cleanse the physical space on a more authentic level? cleanse the physical space on a more thematic levels, like with burning certain incenses frankincense, myrrh, smudging with Sage or mug or something like that, because you've already got the high vibe music playing so you're taking care of like the sonic atmosphere, which is obviously really important.

Hillary 24:07

Yeah, totally. Yeah, so things that other things that help like cleanse the space and make it feel good. Yes, scent has been used like throughout the ages, like dating so far back into time. The use of herbs and resins and flowers and things like that to make a space smell beautiful. Anytime we're talking about cleansing, we're talking about every sense that you have sight hearing smells, touch feel all all the different senses you want to engage those when you cleanse so yeah, visually you want it to to be pleasing in a scent way. It's amazing. When things smell good, it feels like it feels beautiful when it smells good. So like Sterling said using those kind of like ancient ancient smells that have been used for all of time. For consensus for different things I'm using and I say this what I say this not lightly using if you're going to use essential oils very important to use very high quality not synthetic, getting them from good. Like well research to brands that are organic and not cutting their essential oils with different things but so if you have those then using a diffuser. Other things that are really helpful are like using salt lamps and beautiful lighting in your spaces. Yeah, burn like burning Sage are different resins or if you are going to use incense, same thing like the incense market, it can be very toxic. So finding like very pure, high quality made with natural ingredients. Very important, I'd say because there's this is like a whole nother podcast episode that we could talk about about the sense that people use in their house people using like February's and Glade plugins and things like that. It's like those are filled with just crap and affect us on a hormonal level. There's like xeno estrogens in there, which, like confuse our bodies and think that it's estrogen but it's not and then give us like all these kind of hormonal imbalances. So

Stirling 26:29

yeah, not to mention like carcinogenic components that you're then inhaling, which is the quickest way breeding something in especially through your nose that's just in the air, even if you can't see it, even if you can't smell it when you're inhaling it, and you take it up, think about that from your nose, it goes up to your brain. And that is the quickest way to allow something to cross your blood brain barrier and affect your neuro chemistry by inhaling it. That's why people who want to get really really high on crazy drugs, snort them, and that is you are snorting that for breeze you are snorting that Glade scented plugin, you are snorting that Pine Sol, and you don't know what's in it. And if it's being used to decimate sense and stains, it's probably doing something of a similar level of decimation to your brain tissue.

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Hillary 28:44

So we're cleansing that we're doing that we're not taking in the crazy sense like if you're still using those, I would say number one, get all of those chemicals out of your house five minutes ago like first cleanses out of your house and your space. Very important then you want to bring in the like natural resins and incenses or things like that. Emily and salt lamps are really awesome. Pure beeswax candles are really great. Like beautifying your space, simplifying your space, getting out the things that are going to that are hormone disruptors, first of all, and second of all, just not not good for you on many, many levels. If you can't

Stirling 29:41

drink it, like don't keep it in your house, don't use it. You can get as much effect cleaning with vinegar or lemon juice mixed with water and diluted because they are so strong or hydrogen peroxide. All of these things are arguably more effective in actually killing germs and cleansing surfaces and like getting rid of stains and smells than any of these strange chemical things that you're buying from an aisle in the grocery store that smells like hell itself.

Hillary 30:15

Yes, totally. And then that might take time for your like, if you are, if you are in that world of things, it might take a little time for your senses, to readjust to the, to the subtleties of natural of natural things, but your body is very wise and will will adjust pretty quickly. So that is like first and foremost space. And then the things that you're using in your space is very important. I would say opening windows every single day, no matter what the environment is, fresh air is like, number one, to get fresh air into your space. Very, very important. Just airing things out. It's like It's like prana, like, life force, life, energy, whatever you want to call it, you need, you need new, fresh air in your house everyday. Alright, so that's sent your space, then I think next would be once your spaces are clear. And this is for the people that are like frazzled nerves burnt out, then I would say, time for a mental emotional clearing. And we've talked a little bit about this on this podcast before but journaling, and, and or therapy. Therapy is great, definitely journaling, like learning how to get what is circulating in your head out, like like airing out your brain basically, in the same way that we air out our space, we want to air out our brain, getting like the looping thoughts, the fears, the anxieties, the worries the that, like all of that, you want to get that out onto paper. And there's there's many, many books that talk about this, you can follow the artists way and do it that way. There's a book called like writing through the darkness if you're feeling like depressed, like, there's all kinds of resources out there that can help guide you with, with journaling. Plus, we're actually going to be coming out with journals and prompts and things like that, which will be on Yes, learning to have conversations with yourself and your journal that is going to help free up space and energy in your mind. And that alone is very cleansing to your emotions and your mental state. So creating space there, that space, then creating space in your mind, then we can bring it down, down into your body. So once those things are clear and cleansed, then it's time to address your body. And that again is like do you need nourishment? Or do you need to actually purify because you've taken in a lot of things, a lot of things that are like bogging down your system. If you eat a lot of processed food, a lot of food, like from restaurants and things if you're eating fast food if Yeah, if you're if you're on the realm of fast food, that definitely there is a purification that needs to happen with your body. And that I like to tell people like it's not about what you do in one week. It's like what you do every single day, little by little long term. And it's really about making lifestyle changes and making different choices with your health and your wellness. So that you're on the track to longevity, and not just quick fixes all the time. Super, super important. So I guess let's talk about the spectrum. If if you're on the spectrum and you're over here on one side, being like fast food eating out all the time, kind of thing you want to your next step is going towards like eating foods that actually are closer in their source to what they grew as from the earth. So that's like changing to whole foods diet, not Whole Foods, the store that can be confusing but like Whole Foods as in like fruits and vegetables and whole grains, meats, things like that,

Stirling 35:02

go ahead and strike a really great intermediary step, if that sounds overwhelming, or if you don't really even understand what that means, which is fine. Just focusing on making sure that everything you eat, you know what it actually is. So what actually went into that like, even if you go to a nice restaurant, and you get the eggplant parmesan, and that sounds very healthy. And it's the vegetarian option, and it costs you $30. And, I mean, maybe restaurants aren't open where you are right now. But let's imagine they were I don't know what kind of oil the chef cooked that in. And that one thing that one step in the process, and that one ingredient makes a really big difference as to how your body is able to process the food and what happens inside of your internal systems during that digestion and afterwards. So this will also help you save money, which might help with the mental cleansing, and the wallet cleansing. But if you need to figure out how to make your own food so that you understand everything that's in it, that's a really essential component to this. Because not all hamburgers are created equal. Not all cookies are created equal, some cookies actually have a really great nutrition. You know, the the salts that go into a food, the oils that go into a food, these are not, they're not all the same thing, they're actually very different. The way that your body processes them and how you feel afterwards. And what you're able to do with those building blocks is very different. And it's important to open up your awareness to that even if you're not in a situation where you feel like you can control that. Just understanding what it is that you're actually putting into your body at an ingredient level will absolutely transform your relationship with food and your relationship with your body. Totally,

Hillary 37:03

yes, 100%. And like we talked about as, like the spaces that you reside in, turning them into temples, like, as cliche as it is like your body is a temple Are you going to bring? Do I hesitate to say dirty? But like, are you going to bring crap into the temple? And just like, dilute the magic of it? Or are you going to bring like pure, beautiful, healthy things into your body, your temple, and in turn, that creates energy that creates joy that creates vibrancy that creates excitement for life, because there is a health that's happening on every level. And that's the goal. That's like what you want. I don't think anybody wants to feel shitty. Like, if you want to feel shitty, like I'm like, let's talk, let's understand what is what, like, I just want to understand you let's have a conversation.

I'm interested.

Um, but yeah, like, getting back to nature, we are of the earth we are very much we are made of what the earth is made of. And, and this is like you get go in scientific directions with this all day long. It's true. Like, we're not separate from nature, we're very much of the earth. And so if we give ourselves things that are of the earth, we're going to do much better because we are in harmony with our environment. And what we are here to be do see experience, etc. Absolutely,

Stirling 38:51

even on a super fundamentally basic level of the fact that it takes your body, energy and time to process what you put into it. And the further from its natural occurrence in nature in the real life real world that food item is the further it's been processed, the further it's been blended with other things, the further it's been genetically modified, the more energy and time it will take your body to process it. And that is energy and time that you will never ever ever get back. So just eating simpler on that super fundamental level will give you more time and more energy, more mental clarity, more physical well being.

Hillary 39:35

Exactly. So let's go from like that spectrum to the other spectrum. And I guess the interim is like getting getting things out of your diet that are like highly processed, highly modified, genetically modified, highly sprayed with klei phosphate like what roundup Like when they're growing. So those are things like corn, peanuts, soy, like all these crops are rotated, and the soil is super depleted, and there's not like minerals and vitamins in them anymore. And it's that's just causing so many problems it's causing. Everyone has leaky gut now because of it, because it's perforated your intestines and things are leaking out into your bloodstream. And so removing all of those things on the spectrum. Okay, so now you've gotten like, from fast food to getting the things out of your diet that are wreaking havoc, Oh, go ahead. Well, I

Stirling 40:46

just wanted, you touched on something there. And you know it so well, that you just brought it up like it's common knowledge, but I think it's actually really important to reiterate, okay. When we learn about nutrition, however, we learn it wherever we learn it as little kids, when you see that food pyramid on the back of the milk carton at your school lunch, or however you conceptualize what kind of food has what kind of nutrients. What is really important to understand is that that is not always the case, not all apples have the same nutrients as other apples. Not all kale has the same nutrient as other kale. Not all Iceberg lettuce has the same nutrients as all other Iceberg lettuce, it depends on where it was grown and how it was grown. Because these things that grow out of the ground, or even animals, if you eat meat, these animals that eat the things that grow out of the ground that you then eat or whatever products they produce. It can only have as much vitamins, minerals, and other necessary nutrients that are actually the building blocks to your body like amino acids, if where it comes from in the dirt has those things in it, that the vegetable or grass or whatever can pull out of the dirt into itself. So like Hillary said, if the same place has been rotational crop mono agriculture farmed to f**k for a year upon year upon year, season, upon season upon season, and driven over with heavy tractors that compact the dirt that destroy the micro organism, environment that creates these nutrients in the first place, that corn doesn't actually have the vitamins that you have been led to believe it has in it, like it's not there in the dirt, it's not like the corn can make it itself, the core needs to pull those things from the sun from the earth from the water. And if those things are not there, if if the natural environment has been depleted in the way that our bodies have been depleted by only taking in food that has no nutrients, the food growing, there's gonna have no nutrients and you're gonna eat it, you're gonna get no nutrients, then it doesn't matter how many f*****g vegetables you're eating, because the vegetables don't actually have the constituents, like the pieces that you need to be able to absorb, to be able to be new to nourish, not the word nourish. Yeah. So that is super, super essential point. And that's another reason why like, it's really not just a political conversation, when we talk about genetically modified crops, or organic versus inorganic or the pesticides that are used, it's it's not just a scientific conversation. And it's not just a political conversation, it's not just an economic conversation, it's about the fundamental reality that is being altered. And the fact that we can no longer assume that these foods that theoretically humans have been eating for 1000s of years, are going to continue to create the same effect in human bodies that they used to because they are not actually the same plants anymore. They're not actually made of the same things. And they are not actually being grown in a way that produces the same results. So that is why for you, even at the most selfish basic level, you need to be aware of what you're actually consuming. So So yeah, you ordered that eggplant parmesan from the restaurant, but you didn't know that it was being cooked in canola oil, which is like one of the number one genetically modified crops and really, really hard for your body to process, it actually becomes carcinogenic inside of you. And you also didn't know that it was a genetically modified eggplant and that it's not even an eggplant anymore. It doesn't have your, your body doesn't have the receptors to plug into what you're actually consuming. The only way you would know that is if you made it at home with an egg plant that you got from a local farmer who could tell you that he rotates crops like hemp that rebuild the soil and that the water source is there on his land and it's not a municipal water supply. Like these things are way more than just like philosophical ideas or principles if you if you actually want to take into your Body the nourishment that it requires for you to operate at a peak, like optimal level or even a basic, fundamental, foundational human level, you have to be way more cognizant of what you're actually putting in your body 100% Mic drop. On that note, actually, it's a really good time to mention. We're at this point like Hillary has guided us to where now we are being more selective about what we're putting into our body, we're making those really simple decisions, like maybe no more fast food,

maybe I'm going to choose the organic thing. Maybe I'm going to not worry about crash dieting myself, because I'm feeling emotional turmoil. And I think if I lose five pounds, I'll feel less emotional turmoil when in reality, I probably need to take in more things to support me in processing my emotions, which exists elsewhere in my reality. The I think ultimate number one best next step. And maybe first step for everyone in terms of physical body cleansing, is to drink more water. There is some absurd amount every time I look at the statistic, it's slightly different, but it's always more than three quarters of the population is chronically dehydrated, and every single tissue in your body, every single neuron, every single synapses, everything about what is inside of you that makes you alive and work requires water to function and to operate like we are water beings, we live on a water planet, the planet is mostly water, our bodies are mostly water, we need to be taking in water constantly. I mean, when we express emotion, we cry, water comes out. When we work out, we sweat, water comes out when we are flushing our organs. And our bodily systems have all of these horrible pesticides that are in the environment, water comes out. So all these ways water's coming out, you have to put water back in. And this is probably even more important than understanding that not all vegetables are created equal. And not all food supplies can be trusted. Not all water supplies can be trusted. And this is not again, this is not a tinfoil hat conspiracy. This is all facts, you can look it up there are scientific studies, we will link them in the description below. This is documented fact it is real for everyone on the whole planet. And in fact, even before humans develop civilization in which we made water move the way we wanted it to just naturally occurring water sources on the planet vary in terms of their level levels of chemicals, and minerals, and what is in them. And there are naturally occurring water sources that are carcinogenic or poisonous to humans. And there are naturally occurring water sources that are extremely nutrient dense and nourishing to humans. And there are naturally occurring water sources that will get you high. Anyone who's aware of lithium or lithia, it's it's an actual salt, the thing that's prescribed so often for depression, or bipolar disorder, it's a naturally occurring salt, as many. All medications are based on things that occur naturally as a whole other conversation too. But there are springs all over the world where you can drink water from the ground that has a high concentration of lithium in it and get a similar effect as if you were taking those pharmaceutical drugs that are trying to pretend that they're as good as the naturally occurring thing. So again, this is not a tinfoil hat. But now we're going to shift the conversation to municipal water supplies. So that means the water that comes out of your sink when you turn it on, if you are so blessed as to live somewhere where you can turn on the sink in your house and have water come out because FYI, everybody, that is not the case, in the whole world. We call ourselves civilized, but there are millions upon millions, possibly billions of people who do not have access to clean drinking water. Surprisingly, a lot of those people are actually in quote unquote civilized first world countries like in LA when I lived in LA, I did not drink the tap water because you can. You can buy tests at a straight up simple store like Walmart or online on Amazon and test your tap water and see what's in it. And it is not things you want to be putting in your body. Ladies and gentlemen, you need to be really conscious of what is in the water that you're drinking, when you start drinking more water to make your body work better. And I'm not saying you should go out and buy bottled water because if it's in a plastic bottle, it's probably got plastic in it and you're drinking that and that's not good for you. And it might just be tap water from someone else's sink that they put in a bottle y'all like it just this one step if you just consider that you need to have more water in your body and that it needs to be healthy, real living water and that not all water is the same. Your whole your whole world will change Your brain will actually physically literally function better. Because your brain needs water to make the electricity go through it, which is how you have thoughts. On electrical field, it's an electrical field, it's in your brain, it moves on water, you have to have that. Or you your brain will stop working. Yes. So, yes, 100% Yeah, I feel like we're gonna have to do many podcasts around the different levels of this. And I think this is like the number one where we're kind of covering like, the vast amount of things that we're going to go deeper into in like, subsections of podcasts. Because just having this conversation, it's like, this is a very, very, very layered topic. And everyone is coming from a different level of understanding or like, where they're at or what they're consuming. So yeah, I think water, like is one of the most important, even just taking that back farther. It's like your breath, breathing. Like breathing deeply. That's really important. Water is so important. Rest is so important. And exercise is so important. Like those are foundational, you need to get those down. If you're interested in feeling healthy if you want to feel good, like bring it down to most fundamental, most basics and work from the ground up. Breath. Without your breath. You're dead. That's the that's the number one thing if you don't have that, your I didn't I didn't hear what you're saying. Because you're muted. You're dead real fast. Yeah, you're dead real fast. Like you have you have some minutes. You have some minutes. And then without a lucky Yeah, yeah. So breath. Number one. Breathing Well, not being a mouth breather, like learning to, like, breathe from your nose, like seriously, like your nose filters your nose like that is what creates like healthy breath is breathing through your nose, coming deep understanding of breath, let's do a whole podcast on breath. I'm gonna write that down. So that that's going to come out later.

It's also a really, really great step in terms of the mental and emotional cleansing that we were talking about before. Like, in those moments, when I get too caught up in my thoughts when I'm feeling super manic. Or when I get really frustrated, especially if something physically isn't working. If I'm like trying to force something or move something or unlatched something almost every single time I tune in, and I realize I'm holding my breath. I am not actually breathing. And as soon as I take a breath or let the air out.

Hillary 52:52

It all just blows away. Yep. So important. I mean, even yoga practices are like, we do these yoga, like postures and people people think it's really about like getting into these like crazy postures and stretching, being really flexible. But the like, number one key of yoga is linking your breath to the movement. So anyways, like on a fundamental level breath,

Stirling 53:21

dude, that's the number one key to being a good dancer also, and to being a powerful and effective athlete. And to get way more specific, in my personal experience. For anyone that doesn't know, I used to be a professional Acrobat. And when I was learning how to do the aerial silks, I was very strong, very coordinated, I should have been able to do these moves very simply once I got the technique down, but no matter what, for six weeks of solid training every day, every time I came back up right from an inversion from being upside down, every time it came back up, right, I saw stars, and was on the verge of passing out which you really shouldn't do when you're hanging upside down 30 feet above the ground and only holding yourself on to a thing. And it took me six weeks, it took me six weeks of training every day and having that issue to realize I was automatically holding my breath every time I went backwards or upside down, for whatever reason. And it turns out I've been doing that for a really long time. Like even when I was younger as a gymnast and doing other athletic things. Anytime I went backwards, I would hold my breath and close my eyes. So I couldn't actually do particular moves ever throughout my training because of this automatic thing that was happening that I wasn't even conscious or aware of. So I exponentially up leveled my game when I became conscious of the fact that I was holding my breath when I went upside down, which was something I was doing automatically out of fear or connection or whatever.

Hillary 54:51

Yep, fear response for sure. Like that's what we do when when things get intense. We clench we hold so yeah So definitely breath, water, rest, movement, all essential to health. And then we get into the specifics of organic, local, from your local farmer, not on mass scale farming, not with all the hormones, not with all the GMOs like purifying space, like quality of things that you're putting inside your body. This is very, very layered. And then, and then we can talk about cleansing our bodies and like our organ systems and our lungs and getting the mucus out of our bodies and like having a well functioning liver that is not bogged down and going into like, ketosis or whatever, like all the different things that we can go into. Yeah, my brain just kind of split. There's so many things to talk about, like, sometimes when I get excited about conversations, my brain will split into 17 different directions. It'd be like, there's so many things to talk about your s**t out of I produce this. I feel that way. Oh, yeah. So I really think this is like, this is the episode that is the umbrella to many, many episodes that will come next into the details of what we're talking about, and how to purify like, how to purify phosphate out of your system, which there are definitely ways to get that out of your digestive tract. And then, and then feeding yourself with the different things but like to reiterate what we've talked about, first and foremost is simplification, purification of your surroundings and purification of the quality of things that you are consuming. If nothing else doing that. And that includes people. PayPal, yes, that is definitely going to be another episode. Having like, the amount of magic that having people in your life who are loving, supportive, healthy, kind, understanding who listen, who can reflect who can connect with you. That alone is one of the most healing things. If you have toxic people who are manipulative, talking s**t, trying to get you to do things that you don't want to do like, like who trigger addictive behavior or anything like that narcissistic people. Controlling people that bring you down people that make you feel insecure. Oh, yeah. Then a purification of your inner circle needs to happen.

Stirling 57:53

Or even just people that alter your B behavior. Like if you decide you don't want to drink alcohol anymore, it's probably going to be hard to hang out with your home girl who always wants to turn up. Yeah. Real, super real. Yeah. And another really important component that will go deeper into in terms of all the levels of cleansing and especially like the mental and emotional, frazzled mind thing is also the media that you're consuming. Like the things that you're looking at and reading and listening to, that you are taking into your reality and allowing to alter the way that you're feeling and thinking. That is a super important component. And digital detox and social media cleanse is so powerful, because maybe you're not going to feel like you need to drink only celery juice for 15 days in a row if you just stop following Kylie Jenner on Instagram. I mean, like, is the celery even organic? Come on you guys.

Hillary 59:12

Yeah, it's so real. Yes, there's so much so much happening but it's very hard to keep up with all the trends. So getting the trending the trending things out. A simplification wish it wasn't so complex, but it's kind of the irony of being on a polarity planet is like to simplify can be very complex and to to get rid of the complexity can be very simple. Just like just shut it down for a little bit. Um, so yeah, levels, so many levels of of things. I want to like summarize all of this, okay, do it. Alright, on speaking on levels, we're going to reiterate, cleansing of this space, putting your body inside of Temple spaces, then cleansing your mind creating a temple in your mind of purification through letting out what is circulating that so space, then mind, then body, body, so many levels, see, we meet you in the spectrum that you're in, if you're on one side of the spectrum, you go to the next level, you don't try to change everything at once. We're in it for the long haul. And if you commit to making tiny, tiny changes every single day, it's like, in increments, you will start to feel better. And then that will inspire you to take the next action to feel even better. And so on and so forth. Until you're a glowing, radiant being from the inside out and the outside and, and that is the goal. So no shame. no judgement, you are where you are you take the next step to a better version, and onward and upward forever. And ever.

Stirling 1:01:15

I like that trajectory, it makes perfect sense. The alternative is a crash diet, and it is called a crash for a reason. Okay, just like look at what it's called. And then make your choice. Yeah,

Hillary 1:01:28

yeah, you don't like being on the Yo, yo, we'll have like the ups and downs and all arounds constantly is exhausting. And it's very uninspiring and it's not fun, it's not nourishing, you don't actually feel good, you might feel bad for a second, then you crash harder than you gain more weight back. It's like the fucked path. Get off the roller coaster, get off the like wheel of suffering, and learn to sync with harmonious things for yourself with the planet with natural rhythms. First and foremost, then we'll go deeper into cleansing of the organ. And things like that.

Stirling 1:02:10

Because there are ways to do that. And not really important. Make them shut down. Yeah. And there are ways to do that. That makes them shut down. Don't shut down. Shut your organs down. It's a bad idea.

Hillary 1:02:21

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, knowledge is power, like wisdom is power. It's very true, like, continuing to learn, continuing to understand and not and like taking in the understanding, like large scale perspective is really important. Instead of these, like, trending, Kylie Jenner thinks.

Yeah.

What do you think like, should we go into subtleties? Or should this be like

Stirling 1:02:52

the, I think that's a really solid, I mean, so we do also have particular practices in the next episode that we'll be sharing with you guys. And these also, we have recipes and exercises and rituals and guidance. And these will be available in our witchy wellness subscription will go into a lot more detail. There's some really, really wonderful ways to take each of these processes step by step, but this is the foundation because it's really important to understand why you want to cleanse and what you are cleansing before you get all caught up in the how.

Hillary 1:03:37

Yeah. 100% nourishing or cleansing, nourishing or cleansing. Yeah, cool. Well, to be continued to dive deeper and deeper into the different realms. And yeah, we'll come back with with ways to do it. Thanks for tuning in.

Stirling 1:04:16

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Stirling 0:11

Welcome to witchy wellness weekly if you love learning and interweaving health, self growth and making magic, this is the show for you. And when we come together This is where we share how to breathe magic into your daily practice with creative self care inspiration to empower your unique journey to easeful health through witchy wellness, so that you can remember that your health choice is always your own. We are here to empower your freewill to decide for yourself. I'm Sterling, your magical methods mentor, nature based medicine maker farm life purveyor and nerd for all things esoteric, you can find my alchemical experiments at WWW dot wild folk which muse.com We are joined by our co host. Hilary is a certified clinical Ayurvedic Practitioner with the eye of a fine artist specializing in customizing herbs, nutrition and habits that support your body's unique cyclical rhythms at WWW dot Wilde veda.com. To support this show, and we the creators or for behind the scenes content, early access a member only experiences come join the [email protected] slash witchy wellness. Our private community is a safe place to explore your inner magic, where you are the hero of your own story on a planet that is thriving. It's Prime Time to climb out of the broom closet my friends, because our Earth needs your wild magic right now.

Hello, everyone, welcome back are so glad to have you here. And I am about to ask Hillary something amazing her I your vitta course what are you calling my course I Aveda 101 know yourself heal yourself. It just launched last week, and I got to be a part of it. Because I am very lucky girl. And I was absolutely enthralled. I thought I knew things about myself and I are vieta. And in general going into it. And it was just the first day of a basic introductory course. And I learned so much. And one of the things that really stuck out to me actually didn't have anything to do at all with AI or veto. It had to do with how Hillary held the space for the course. And that is the set of house rules that she created an introduced to us that I think is absolutely fantastic. And if all of human society managed to operate this way, we would absolutely transcend this reality and everything would be like instantaneous manifestation and everyone would be totally their most awesome self. And we'd all just have a lot more fun. So on the way to actualize the humanity at such a level, we're introducing the house rules here on the wild magic podcast and in our wild magic membership program. So Hey, everybody, we have a membership program number one you can join and also, this is now the framework for our community. Moving forward, check it out. You might want to introduce it in your life as well. Hillary take it away.

Hillary 4:28

All right. So I feel like whenever we start new things we need, we need like stability and foundation to build upon. And so I actually adopted these house rules from a couple different people and combined them and one person is my love want my really good friend and my roommate, our housemate rather, Jessie fresh who teaches about erotic blueprints and she has learned to from her teacher Giant that always always you start with pleasure. So pleasure. First, I just want to give a shout out to the people that I have adopted them first, and then we can jump into it. And then this other woman, Kylie, Kylie mcbeath. I think that's how you say her last name. And she is married to mark groves. And they, they do a lot of relational work on like healthy relationships. And I, when I've heard her talk, she kind of gives these this breakdown of house rules. So together, I've combined them, along with a little bit of my own own flair to it. And so yeah, I think they're really, really important and really valuable. So the first one, like I said, is pleasure first, and to always, always take care of yourself. And that's like, you know, I was introducing it in, in the course that we started a six week course. And it's all over zoom. And so we're all spending a ton of time on computers

and,

and that can be just really challenging in and of itself. But this can really be applied to anything like when you're at work when you're, you know, I don't know, what do you think like when you're

Stirling 6:16

doing anything, being a human when you're being a human being embodied? I mean, okay, and now I feel like I'm being exclusive, because obviously, if you're in spiritual beings, like you are totally allowed to put pleasure first as well. So let's just say, experience, like in the all experience at any time, if we could operate from this place, in along with the following rules, it's actually really important. Any one of these could get out of balance. But there's, you'll understand, as you listen further to how Hillary introduces the concepts, they work synergistically, so please don't like jump down the comment hole of weird things that happen when people put pleasure before everything else, because we're not saying pleasure before everything else, we're saying put pleasure first, synergistically along with all of these other rules, which are just as important, even though they were not primarily introduced. Because the idea is that if you come from the route of experiencing pleasure, you're gonna be in a better mood, and it will be easier to undertake all of these other actions. They're not even necessarily actions, all of these other principles. Okay, continue. Yes, exactly. Thank you.

Hillary 7:37

So with pleasure first, that can mean anything, it can mean really simple things, but like, always, always tuning into your body and what you need first, do you need to use the bathroom? Do you need some water? Do you need to stretch like, Are you feeling achy? Do you need to do a little movement. And this can literally like I said, be applied anywhere, if you're working and your neck is sore, like just giving yourself like a little massage for a second, just like attending to your body and what you need to be and then move through with a more pleasure in flight from a more pleasurable state. So that's just like taking care of yourself, and making sure you'll feel good, like base level, and

Stirling 8:21

everyone up sorry, everyone, imagine how much more tuned in and capable and productive and successful you would have felt as a child in school and other organized activities. If you were allowed to listen to your needs first. And you didn't have to raise your hand and ask publicly to take care of your bodily functions, just how fundamentally disempowering from a young age is that talk about being indoctrinated and domesticated. So let's rewind, let's reverse all that very early, super basic and continuous year upon year upon year of trauma of not being allowed to listen to yourself. And everyone remember, you have permission and also the autonomous right to take care of your personal needs first, so that you may feel in a state of pleasure. Yes.

Hillary 9:23

Perfect. And that's something to like talks about and I or VEDA is like there I think it's something like there's like 13 natural urges are something but I can't remember the exact number I'm pretty sure it's 13 natural urges and, and that's like using the bathroom or like passing gas or like burping or things like that, that are just like our bodies do. And by not doing those we are causing our bodies just like innate harm by not letting our bodies be body. It's so pleasure for us long story short, the next one is no Shame. So, especially like in this realm that we're talking in about health and wellness, and we all have bodies and minds, while also we're just talking about being energetic beings, maybe they're listening to. But I'm like, we all have bodies in minds that do things that sometimes we wish that they wouldn't do, like our bodies are having experiences that we wish could be different or same with our minds, like thinking or feeling things that we don't want. And I think it's a really important thing to recognize that everyone is having this experience on some level. And so as we talk about health and wellness, like moving forward, it's really important to come from a place of no shame. Like we're all in it, we're all having it. And, and talking about this can bring up a lot, a lot, a lot of emotion. Especially if you're in a place that you wish that you weren't or you wish you were like further along with whatever with whatever you're wanting in your life. So super important to come from that space. And, and then the next one is, so no pedestals. And this is like, very, very important to me. When I started learning about IR VEDA, I put my teachers on these very high pedestals, and I was like, oh, they're so spiritual, and they're so enlightened. And like these wisdom keepers and us incredible beings that I'm so far away from, I am very far down here, and they're very much up there. And with that, is very damaging. Like, really, we're all on these different paths, we all have experience from our experiences, like, we're all learning in different ways. And we all have these lessons that arrive in different ways. But one is not better than the other. And just because someone has a certain spiritual path or speaks a certain way, or dresses a certain way, or teaches a certain body of knowledge does not mean that they are better than you or that you are better than them or lesser than them or vice versa. And once I really recognize this, that like, Oh, this teacher that seems so like spiritually high to me, is actually really just human with very human traits and like, ways of being, and actually we're just equal and also in different places, but not better, where it's not higher or lower. Like that helps me realize that I get to like, navigate my world as I am.

Stirling 13:02

I really loved that I really loved that sentence, you just said I liked all the sentences, but that was that I get to navigate my world as I am. Because it's so important and poignant to have that realization. And also, how the f**k else are you supposed to navigate your world, like you can't actually do it any other way. So you're just in this turmoil with yourself until you can accept that fact, it's beautiful that you got there. And I wanted to talk about the danger of placing on a pedestal from the flip side of the same coin, which is that when someone has placed me on a pedestal, which actually happens a lot, because I have a really big personality. So people either immediately react in a negative or positive way to me, and a lot of times I get put like way up on a pedestal. And now because it's happened so much I can tell when it happens. And I actually immediately have a visceral reaction in a more negative sense to being placed on that pedestal and want to knock myself off of it immediately. Because eventually, whoever placed me on this pedestal is going to realize that I am the human. And yes, I have some amazing gifts and I also have some outrageous shortcomings, and eccentricities and strange, odd behaviors that are not congruent with their initial concept of me that put me up on this pedestal and all of a sudden, boom, I come tumbling down and it's crazy because I didn't put myself on that pedestal I had really no control over this ideation in someone else's mind. But somehow I feel the effects of no longer being on the pedestal I did not place myself on to begin with and it hurts me. You Even though I had nothing to do with it, so yeah, like pencils are dangerous for everyone. And then there's another component of it too, which is like from the observers perspective of being neither the pedestal or the pedestal Lee. And that is that when we place someone on a pedestal, we actually create a vulnerability in ourselves that is very easy to see and also manipulate. So in a situation where I've placed someone on a pedestal, because like you said, they're this amazing teacher who has this spiritual knowledge, or they're, I'm admiring what they're doing, because it's what I want to attain on some level or whatever reason, I now am broadcasting to the world that I have created a gap between me and this person that I would like to bridge but do not feel equipped to do so. So when the person who has been placed on the pedestal senses that and knows that they could make an effort that looks like bridging the gap and be invited in way past my safe boundaries. That's when you get situations of like grooming, not in a nice way, not in a hygienic way, grooming in a way, where now all of a sudden, this person who I have decided is amazing is paying me this special attention. And I'm going to behave however, I need to to continue to get the attention that bridges this gap between me and this person that I created in the first place. And that's the interesting thing, too, is realizing that because I placed them on the pedestal, I actually have control over the situation, I actually created the gap, I actually unlocked the back door and said, Hey, come on in, take what you want, stay as long as you need. And it's a lot harder to get someone out of your energy, when you have allowed them in because of your feelings of inadequacy or placing them on some sort of pedestal. And, sure, hopefully, someone you've placed on a pedestal wouldn't take advantage of you and that sort of way. But actually, it happens a lot. And sometimes they're not even conscious of it. And sometimes they're very conscious of it. And that's a dangerous situation.

Hillary 17:27

Very dangerous. And this could be a whole nother podcast episode. In fact, I think it should be. I definitely that like pedestals have been my history no longer I have really deeply learned my lesson here. But I have been in serious abusive relationships, mental emotional, like psycho pathik, like, experiences with people because they preached this spiritual way that I valued so deeply. And to me because because they were super in shape. And because they were really healthy seeming and because they they just were so righteous in their thoughts. I was like, Oh, well, they must know more than I do. And they must know life better than I do. So I should actually listen to all things that they're saying. And that is very, very dangerous. So it yeah, it took some really scary, huge mega lessons for me. That were basically like death experiences in order for me to learn this lesson. So hopefully, you don't have to learn this lesson as hard as maybe we've had to learn. But yes, long story short is no pedestal. The playing guild all coming from the heart, heart plain, like radiating out. And this is where we all meet in this information where we gather and share together. Yep, yep. Yeah. So To be continued with that conversation, for sure. And then so Okay, so just to refresh or reframe so pleasure first, no shame, no pedestals and then the last one on this on this note is to not use any information that we share here, around like health and wellness, to use it to punish yourself. So do not use this information to punish yourself. Use this information for like deepening your relationship to yourself to yourself care and to yourself love. And that means like moving slowly with it not just like, like taking this and like applying everything at once and just trying to change everything about yourself. It's like No, take what take this small like next best step. And then keep taking those small next best steps while checking in with your body and your mind and your needs, and your own intuition and truth and really exploring it for yourself and not because someone told you to do

Stirling 20:19

and taking the next best step sometimes means taking a couple steps backwards, which would like raise all the red flags, except we're not walking in a straight line in one direction. That's not like linear reality isn't real in that way, we're basically spinning our spinning around in circles, y'all. So like when you have to tune into yourself and understand that your next baby step is actually back to where you just came from, do it. Honestly, those are the moments that provide. For me personally, the most growth is like that revisit point, like there's a there's a point, there's a reason why as kindergarteners were taught to plan and then do and then review, because the actual learning happens in the review process. So if you have to take a couple steps backwards, instead of pushing forwards, too hard, too fast and hurting yourself, because you don't want to do it wrong, you take that baby step backwards, and you look at what just happened. And that makes the dent right connections, the synapses in your brain that store information, and that actually will rewire your mind to live in a more balanced and helpful way with your true needs. That's probably the most important part of the whole process. Because otherwise, you're a whiteboard, and you run out of space on the whiteboard. And so you just erase it all and keep writing and there's no record of what came before. And you don't remember because that was like five steps ago, and I was focusing on this one.

Hillary 21:50

Yeah, the importance of reflection is so so deeply important, because that is where that's where the true learning comes, if we're always pushing forward, we're not reflecting and then we're not really learning from our past experiences. And that's something I think as a culture we really need to grow in is actually like, really taking that time to reflect and step back and see the larger picture, see the deeper themes. And I think we talked about this in the last podcast of like, the importance of journaling, because that is really where you can reflect. And like take that time to kind of like tune in, tune into that tune into the deeper unfolding of what's going on.

Stirling 22:39

Let's talk more about that. Tie it into journaling a little harder, because I know how much you and I believe wholeheartedly in journaling. Like maybe if I had a dogma, that would be it. Like if I hadn't just proselytize one thing, it would be journal, I don't care how I don't care when Just do it. So let's talk a little bit more about how to do that.

Hillary 23:11

Yes, I think that's a great, a great next step. And journaling, too, like I have some friends and even myself have had like a repulsion to journaling before. But this can be in you could like voice journal, you know, you could do like audio recordings of you.

Stirling 23:31

I do that that is 100% the most I write on paper for my gratitudes in the morning, which is like a third of a page and at night I do a little bit of scripting sometimes are all right in a dream journal handwriting. But 80% of my journaling, quote unquote, is me talking into a recording device, because I find I'm so in the habit of it, that I'm just having that conversation out loud all the time anyways, even when I'm not recording, but when I do intentionally record it, and then also at some nebulous future point, take a step backwards and do the review process and listen back to it.

I just get flabbergasted. And I'm like, I'm a f*****g genius. Whoa, girl, you

said this thing is blowing my mind. I

Hillary 24:16

don't even remember saying totally. And that yeah, I think like that is that is such a good point. When we don't take time to reflect, we don't get to like see our own magic and our own wisdom. And, and that's like that is the truth of the matter is like we all carry such deep innate wisdom from our lineages from things that we've learned from experiences that we've had. And if you don't give yourself a chance to like, see that in yourself, you're missing such gems, like, what? And also we're all channels like we're all Where are these like beings. We're going to talk about this more we have like these portals of experience. Seeing the world with through our senses like our eyes, our ears, our noses, our mouth, our skin as receptor sites like we are these, like beings that have portals that take in life and life moves through us. And that's happening, like on a microcosmic and macrocosmic level, all the time. And so giving yourself self a chance to see your see reflections of yourself, not just in the mirror, but like, through these different ways of seeing is very, very, very valuable. And you can learn so much, just from yourself.

Stirling 25:36

Absolutely. And it's you, each of us is 100%, distinct, totally unique. No One No One Else, it doesn't matter how precisely parallel Your life is to someone, it doesn't matter if you're a conjoined twin, you have different distinct, unique, singular wisdom than anyone else. And only you know it until you share it. And the first step is sharing it with yourself, and you will be so amazed, because it will be things that you didn't even know, you know, and how can you hope to share your unique distinct magic with anyone else if you're not ready to share it with yourself. And that's like the whole reason we're here we are literally, each of us synthesizing the sensory input into a totally distinct song, I guess vibration. Like we we are these conduits were literally channels like Hillary said, and, and to some people that context might sound woowoo. But think of it like a radio station, or like a channel on the TV, like, actually, these different frequencies. So what I'm tuned into in terms of the information I'm taking in from my past experiences, and what I am currently experiencing in reality, with all of my senses, and my personality, and my predispositions, and all of that, it it stews and congeals into something that comes back out of me, that has never before been exactly that way. So it's a really important that you tune into that for yourself through journaling, and then build up the confidence to introduce it back into the world. However you need to do that. Because honestly, that is what each of us is here to do. And that's basically all you have to do is share you and your magic with the world. That is why we're here. And that is like all the reasons why people don't feel sane or healthy or accepted or Okay, or actualized or creative or any of those things. It's because you're trying to meter or block or you are fundamentally disconnected from the thing that you're here to share. And you don't have to know what that is. You just have to you just have to be it. You don't have to you don't have to know it. You don't have to censor it. You don't have to fine tune it. You don't have it doesn't have to become something else before you are it because you just are it You're the thing. You're the thing you're supposed to share. You're already at all of you. You're already the thing. Yes.

Hillary 28:34

Yes, so deeply. So yes, the metaphor that keeps coming to my mind, and like this might apply to some people might get this metaphor more than others. But like, in college, I took these fiber art classes, and I took a weaving course. And we I learned all about weaving. And I feel like that is like a metaphor for what we're doing here. And what we're all doing like on a larger and small scale is like, we are these threads. And we each have like our own texture and our own color and our own, like our own magic, and our own material that we're made of. And then we weave together with all the people and the things around us. And then we create this thing, be it you know, a hanging wall piece or like fabric or for clothing or whatever we're creating together and like me coming together with Sterling and we're we're both very different, like we are very different. But we have these different like because we're solid and stable and ourselves. We're able to like come together and we don't like melt into each other but we weave a very magical thing together as we bring our knowledge and our wisdom and our experiences together. Not merging into the other but creating together. And that's the goal here. Absolutely.

Stirling 29:57

And we're both such beautiful Unique, distinct yarn. And it would never be the weaving that we create together. If it was not us combining our unique,

distinct yarn.

So like it takes being a unique individual capable of sitting in your self, and figuring out how to express yourself to them, combined with another unique, distinct individual that is sitting in themselves and able to express themselves to create something that is greater than the sum of the parts that would not otherwise ever have the opportunity to exist. Weaving is a great example of that. So is like cooking anything. So is math, like, numbers do the same thing. Like it's all it's all patterns, you know, you have a seed, you have dirt, you have water, each of those things is just exactly what they are, which is totally unique and distinct. And they're all very busy just being exactly what they are. When you combine them, you can grow a tree. None of those things were retrieved before.

Hillary 31:15

And you need to you have to have them all to get a tree. And they need to be different. Because if they were all just water, then you just have a puddle. You wouldn't you would not have a tree. That would not be a tree would be a puddle. wishing that I was a tree. Oh

Stirling 31:33

my gosh, that maybe that's why puddles show reflections because you can see the reflection of a tree in a puddle. But the reflection of the tree in the puddle is still not a tree.

Hillary 31:47

Okay. Just sit with that journal journal about it. Oh, man, we're giving me like deemed the most whoo podcasts. I imagine there's where we are.

Stirling 32:02

Probably I mean, cuz if you think about like, we're, we're pretty Whoo. Compared to nod Whoo.

We are not very

woowoo compared to the mega Whoo. That's, like, I walk into

a room full of Whoa. And I'm just like,

Oh my gosh, I am so practical and down to earth, and pragmatic, y'all. And then I walk into a room of you know, rugby players and I'm like, I'm very interesting.

Hillary 32:35

That's true, always all in context. Okay, I want to pull this like conversation to this next thing we're gonna go back to house rules. But I think what we were just talking about about like, being ourselves like unapologetically so and learning and moving as ourselves and not like bending and forming to other people or ways of being. That's like the definition of health. So in IR VEDA, the term for health is called swasta. And the first part of that word, spa means self. And the second part of that word means the second part is that which is established solid, or study. And so the whole word combined is to be established and solid in yourself. And that's what health is. So aside from all the different things that say that what health is like, fundamentally, so is just being like solid and steady inside of your own being. super important. just felt like that was a necessary definition that basically sums up everything

Stirling 33:50

that we just said in one single two syllable word, which is why ancient wisdom is ancient. Because like, staying power, right, we just had that whole conversation and it took a lot of words and it was great and there was some self expression happening and good job us. And also, this two syllable word means exactly the same thing. Yep. Yeah, totally.

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Okay, so

we are going to harp more on why you should journal. And we mean like a very broad definition of journal like I personally have maybe like 16 different definitions of journaling. So it's an umbrella topic and we could go like way, way, way into it. So, first, I think the best thing to address is what you touched on earlier, Hillary, which is like what to do about manifesting a serious block around journaling, like why, like, what, cuz I've experienced that too. And I think maybe everyone does, like I have for long swathes of my life, months at a time, maybe even years, felt really intense resistance to keeping any sort of journal. And in retrospect.

Hillary 36:39

Why did I feel like that? Yeah, well, so at different points in my life, like, I, I didn't really start journaling until my 20s. And, like, early, early 20s, like probably 20. Um, and I guess when I was younger, I had kept like a couple different journals about like some travels that I had. But I remember learning from my mom, that she did not keep journals, and she did not write anything down because she didn't want anyone to find it. And she felt like afraid of what was inside of her being found out. Go ahead.

Stirling 37:21

I would like to know what was going on in your mom's life, that she was so petrified about anyone finding out about that she did not keep a journal in general, because it sounds really interesting. And I like to know people's really great secrets, but also specifically because my first encounter with Hillary's mom was extremely embarrassing. And I believe that in Hillary's mother's mind, I still have not lived at that moment down. Continuing to infamy, and it is the kind of thing that I imagine a woman who's afraid of keeping a journal would be terrified of having happened in their life. Yeah, do you want it? Did you want to talk about that experience? Or you want me to talk about I'm not going to talk anymore about it. If you would like to explain it at all. You may but I just had to interject that because it's because I would love to know some embarrassing s**t about your mom because I so embarrassed about the things your mom thinks about me. Let's just leave it at that.

Hillary 38:25

I don't know the full story. I know parts of the story because Sterling was friends with my brother and their I think there was like shenanigans and hot tubs and lots of alcohol and nudity that happened and my mom came homes.

Stirling 38:39

Yeah, yeah. Before Hillary and I ever met. How did you know of me Hillary? What did what what was the one indicator? How would you How did you have Sterling classified in your mind before we ever met?

Hillary 38:52

That you were my brother's like really, really, really good friend. Like, almost like besties and like you guys partied super hard together.

Stirling 39:01

And all Yeah. And how did you? Well, I was just gonna say how would your mom have explained to me?

Hillary 39:09

I think I think like it was so long ago, but I'm pretty sure it was just like that you were very like, you all as a group were very debaucherous and

Stirling 39:22

the only time I've met Hillary's Mom, I didn't have any pants on and I was standing in her kitchen.

Hillary 39:27

Yeah. But she was in the kitchen and my mom like woke up or something I don't know. And like came came out into the kitchen. It was very late and

Stirling 39:37

I don't know either to now manage to hide behind the refrigerator. I was not the only person not wearing pants. I was the only person who was seen not wearing pants standing in the kitchen.

Three or four in the morning.

Hillary 39:51

Totally. Yeah, so Sterling was in my house before I ever knew her without pants on which is Rarely, probably why we're friends. But yeah, I think I don't I honestly, I don't know, like, what was going on for my mom. But I think generally, generationally speaking like, she grew up in a family that was like children are meant to be seen and not heard. And it was just a different time, like her dad had come back from the war. And it was just very different, like, women were also to be like, seen and not heard so much, and just like, take care of the house. And so I think there's like an evolution of this, that's happened. And now we're living in a very different time. But that's, I think, my mom's upbringing. And so, probably just like things that aren't even intense for us probably really intense for her because she was like breaking this script and breaking the mold of what her parents had taught her. And, strangely enough, like I had a very intense psychedelic experience where I think I experienced the karma of this pattern in my family, where I was, I felt that somebody was sitting inside of my psyche, and my subconscious and seeing all of my secrets, and all of my things that I didn't want anyone else to know about people who I loved, like, loving somebody and not admitting it, because it was too vulnerable, things like that. And suddenly, I felt completely exposed. And like, all of my secrets were not actually secrets. And it felt so intense and so vulnerable. And I imagine that that is where my mom is coming from in the not wanting to journal and I imagine a lot of people are coming from that place of not wanting to be found out, figured out that their secrets are so so like, maybe dark or strange or, like scary. But I think like my experience through that was like, oh, wow, we actually think that we are like have these secrets that are not to be known. And I think we all have them, and it makes us really human. And the more that you can like free yourself from the shame, like we talked about in the beginning, like the shame, guilt, anything like that. The freer you become like the freer your energy becomes, and the freer you are to become yourself. And that is the magic of journaling of like, really becoming unafraid of yourself, your thoughts, your psyche, the things that you think are deep dark down inside, like your shadow self, and bringing those like places to the surface. And like giving them light and giving them breath and giving them space to, like accept them. And realizing that you're not bad, like you're not bad. Like the things you think and feel are not bad. Other people think them too. You're not alone. There, there are so many people on this planet, if you're having a thought or a feeling that you think is like no, guaranteed there are 1000s of other people that have had those thoughts and feelings as well. Absolutely. And the more you do that, the more you free yourself. And the more that you get to be more fully yourself. So journal Do it. Do it Do it now. Yeah, and like figure out a way that works for yourself that you can like, let let those darker corners of your being come to the surface and have space. Like Be it audio or what is it like speaking and speaking into a recording for your like on your phone and listening back or literally like writing it out or journaling or singing it out? Like if you create songs like turning it into songs that no one else has to hear, like, whatever form that needs to move through you to like free up energy and free up your ability to like become more of yourself. Do it. Do it. This is liberation. This is

Stirling 44:26

absolutely I even it's funny because I mentioned there were those like swathes of time where I wouldn't journal. I was still always writing poetry and songs. I didn't realize they were songs at the time, I only thought about them as poetry until I don't know, I was well into my 20s at the beginning of my 20s but it's interesting because the poems hold all those things, even if it's in metaphor, even if it's a 12 year olds, rhyme scheme, you know, it's still I can read back through all those napkin scribble poems, and unearth these gems of who I was in that moment or what I was going through or what I was transmuting. And it's so interesting because it really comes in waves and phases. Like I recently lived in Los Angeles in Hollywood for over a year. And that was the culmination of basically my entire childhood and adolescent dream of being a part of the entertainment industry, being an actress being a singer, being a performer and doing it the Hollywood way. And that was a thing that I needed to do. And I needed to live it out to its full extent, because otherwise, it would always be this piece inside of me that I hadn't pursued. But while I was there, I wrote a lot. I was very creatively productive. But the things that I was writing a lot of songs, a lot of lyrics. Wow, it was dark. It was so dark. Super, like channeling some demonic hell mouth portal kind of dark, like I read it. Now this was recently this was just up until lockdown started, which is when I left LA, oh my gosh, I am. So not in the frame of mind that I was in 18 months ago. And it's interesting because I've had other times in my life where the things I was journaling and the things that I was writing in poetry and song, the art that I was coming up with was very dark, like I have my Pluto is retrograde in Scorpio in my 10th house, like I go all the way down, down, down, down down to the depths like me, and per Stephanie, we know that s**t, we do it all the time. But the flavor of darkness that I was writing when I was in LA was a very particular flavor. And it's really interesting, because if you Hillary or the listener, I know you kind of do it, if you listener have looked at all turned any stones over to understand the machinations of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, the music industry, the film industry, any of that, you know, that should is really, really dark cesspool, dank, haunted, dark, and that's what was coming through my writing. And it's so interesting, because it seems like a different person wrote it, when I read it now I'm like, whoa, whoa, like, what is this that's like, something was coming through in that particular time in my life and that place that I was, and I captured it in words, and it's super valuable, because I needed to get it out in words, because I wouldn't want to keep that inside of me it was like, like releasing steam, you know, or like being an acupuncture needle in this place, and culture that really, really needs some help transmuting that dark, dark energy. And now, the things that I write about are unrecognizable to that voice. And I feel like if I hadn't had such a practice of self expression and radical honesty in what I was creating, and like a willingness to really sit there in the uncomfortable super strange, super dark thoughts, and get them out that I would be a completely different person right now. still be carrying that around with me in some weird dark shadow place. And I'm glad I'm not.

Hillary 48:58

Yeah, I mean, that's like integration, like we have to integrate, we have to like, pull what's down, up we have to pull what's up down we have to integrate them and like intermingle them and let them like, fuse together to like, fully become you know. Yeah, otherwise we just are afraid of afraid of that like dark place. And we all have it like we live on a polarity planet. I'll say it over and over again is what my teacher one of my like, Kundalini yoga teachers would always say we are on a polarity planet, everything has its polarity, and then its whole spectrum and bridge to get to each other. You know, so this is like one thing, and then the complete opposite. And then the whole spectrum of in between of getting to the do and we're all of it and that if you think that you were only light and vibration, and like, like perfect ness and whatever. That's spiritual by Pass, if you think you're better than the darkness and all that, no, there are lessons and both both are equally important because both are poles of the same thing. Being able to, like traverse that, those opposing qualities and like pull them in and through you and out of you. That's, that's like the experience like, that's getting real with life and being like a real human and living fully. You can spiritually bypass all day long, and just sit in the sit in the glass and the light and the whatever. But you're missing out on huge information integration and connection with other people.

Stirling 50:43

Not only are you missing out on those things, not only are you ignoring super huge component and vital part of being human and having the human experience, but you're also not paying attention to an entire half of your being and the reality around you to the point where that is just going unchecked, like a pot that you left on the stove that has boiled over and completely cooked and congealed and caught on fire. And now your whole kitchen is burning down and you're sitting in the living room gazing out the window. And like that, just because it's really pretty outside doesn't mean your kitchen is not on fire. It's like a rubber band. Like if you hold it between two fingers, and you keep them equidistant from the center, then they're well balanced. But if you just pull one way, way, way out here to the other side, it's either going to break, snap back and really hurt when it hits you, or that other pole is going to smash into you because of the tension created because you're not checking back in to keep the balance. Totally spiritual bypass is a really good phrase for that. I don't think that I've used that phrase before, it makes perfect sense because that's exactly what it is. And for anyone that's grown something like a plant, or I mean, even just picturing it in your mind, what if you were so you have control over how you grow as a human as a child, like physically. And you're so focused on growing your legs, because you want to be so tall, because you want to be able to see the highest thing that you can see. And that means that you've completely forgot to grow your arms or your organs or your head or anything, and then you just all legs, you're not going to function as a human, because you're missing growth in all these other areas. It doesn't, it doesn't work. And anyone that tries to tell you different Well, number one, they're wrong. But number two, there, they're either placing themselves on a pedestal or placing you on a pedestal attempting to take advantage of you or so completely out of touch with this reality and themselves that you shouldn't be taking their advice.

Hillary 53:19

True. So true. Yeah. It's making me think of like a couple books actually.

that have been really like important in my process of, of like opening up in the realm of writing. And there's one that was gifted to me and it even just the all the information that you need is in the title,

which is

you know, if you need to read the book, I haven't read the whole book, I read parts of it. But I just read I just read the title, it was actually just read the title. So knowledge from the title is called writing through the darkness. No,

Stirling 54:04

oh look, another sentence that totally encapsulated the entire last 45 minutes of the conversation and everything I said in just like what five words great, concise,

Hillary 54:17

and like and these other, like really important books that were in my early 20s that really helped me like the artists way and you can heal your life. And they had these like writing prompts that just really, like helped me get in touch with all of those different places. And we're going to be coming up with a book and like a workbook as well of writing prompts and things like that, to really get in touch with these places that are so important in us to explore, to develop, to see to feel to acknowledge. So, yeah, just wanted to throw that out there.

Stirling 54:58

Absolutely and writing prompts are such A great place to start and an end, you can even take it, you could take that into as complex of a concept as it needs to be and like you know, have 50 journal prompts and do a different prompt every evening and this and that. Or you can just do the same prompt every day, which is what I do in the morning, I have a gratitude journal, it's part of my larger gratitude practice. But honestly, it is the most essential part for me. And if I only do one thing, it's that, and it's the same thing every morning in the same journal in the same place, I open it up, and I start with I am grateful for, and then I put what I'm grateful for whatever comes up, and then I start the next sentence I am grateful for and I put whatever I'm grateful for. And I do that as many times as I need to, for it to then morph into maybe a more complex sentence, but maybe it doesn't. And maybe I just write that same sentence over three times, I am grateful for my dog, I am grateful for my tea, I am grateful for the sun rising. And it can be that simple. And it's the same thing every morning. And that doesn't make it less meaningful or less powerful. It makes it more powerful. And it makes it more effective. And it is amazing. And it's always the same. Same journal, same pen. Same first four words.

Hillary 56:24

Yep. Love that. Yeah, that's super important. I, I definitely have gone through like different iterations of like, what, what I write, but, and I think this comes back to something that we're going to be talking a lot more about, and like publishing in a book that is going to be coming out. And, um, you know, there's always something like, we're always in different phases in our life. So things do like morph and change. And I think it's so important to stick to something for a long time, so that you have like a baseline and you have a routine, for example, what Stirling is talking about, like, it doesn't need to be complicated. And every day you just write like, what you're grateful for. And, you know, I was living in Miami for like, a four month stint of time. And I was there to heal from some really, really intense happenings. And I felt so broken, I felt just like fucked up beyond form. And so I went there by myself, without really knowing anybody or anything. And I just was like, I'm here to meditate and write and heal and do yoga and watch the sun rise and set and nothing more. And I, every morning, I would walk out onto this little dock that was right out of the apartment that I was staying in, which my aunt so gracefully gave to me while she studied her while she traveled through India. So I had this little safe haven to stay in by myself and really go inward. And so every morning, I wake up and I walk out to this Doc, and I felt so heartbroken. But I would just sit there and write, like every day, I'm gonna write 10 things that I'm grateful for, because there's got to be something. And it is it's simple. It's like I'm grateful for this sunshine on my skin. I'm grateful for it, like being able to take one deep breath, I'm grateful for like the sun glistening on the water, or like seeing a little like magical creature or like a bird saying, it can be that it but it gets you into this energy of gratitude and like the beauty of life. And that can contradict the like pain of life that we experienced as well. So it's like counterbalancing things. And the other practice that I did that if you're like in a phase of healing, or heartbreak or anything like that, I think is really simple. And it helps with embodiment. And it helps you connect to the inner inner you. After I would write my gratitude list, I would sit and I would put my hands both my hands over my heart. And I would just breathe there for a second and I would sit and I'd ask my heart, like heart, what do you feel? And then I would pick up my pen and I would write I would write what came to me. And it would be really simple. Just certain words. I feel shaky. I feel expansive. I feel like there is a fire in my heart that I feel like I'm going to explode. Like I would just write whatever I felt that day. And then I would go back to putting my hands on my heart after I wrote and I would say heart, what do you need? And, and then I would write again, I would write the simple words that came to me and I would not let my intellectual mind get in the way. Sometimes it would and I would just say Nope. And I'll just write the first things that would come to me. What do you need and Like, some days, it would be like I need rest, or I need nourishment, or I need to go on a long walk, or I need something really yummy. Or I need like, I need to listen to the birds or whatever it was. And I would just write it and I would honor that. And I'd be like, Okay, this is what I need to do today. This is what I need to do to heal.

And so simple, it can be so simple. And you can make up your own practice. And if you don't want to make up your own practice, you can find practices, you can google practices, you can use this practice. But find something that can carry you through the like challenge or the pain or the fear, or the like closed down ness, or depression or lethargy, whatever it is that you're experiencing that is very human, other people are experiencing too. You're not alone. And, like, let let your own internal world carry you through it. Because that will create like inner strength that you there's no possible way for you when you're doing this. There's no possible way for you to like, not trust yourself after you experience this enough. Like you have to say, Whoa, I have internal wisdom that no one else can really tell me like this is coming from inside. Like my heart is literally speaking to me. That that is magic. That is wild f*****g magic.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:35

Finger snaps fingers. And you can't do it. Wrong. Yes, totally. Oh, and this, can I share something else too.

Stirling 1:01:48

I'll just I'll just go back to this.

Hillary 1:01:51

Yeah, we're both having our hands on our hearts. Right now. We're having a moment. Sterling is slaying it's really beautiful. listening to my heart. So at that point in my life, I was in a healing Phase I was really like just at Ground Zero like f*****g down and broken, but like broken open, not like broken, unrepairable, just broken, open and very vulnerable. And that was, so I was in like a phase of journaling. And this was about a little over a year ago. And since then, you know, I've gone through many iterations of feeling and experiencing and growing. And lately, my journaling practice is very different. And that's because it's like, morphed and grown. And so now, when I'm journaling, I'm actually in a process of like, building a life that is so like, true and exciting, and like joyful and loving for me. But I needed to go through that like pain and the breaking in order to be like, What the f**k is important to me? And like, what the f**k do I want? Like not what's being told not what's being projected? Not any of these things like, what the f**k do I want from my life? And how do I create it? And so now my journaling practice is very strange and different. And a lot of the time, it's me meditating on the person that I'm in the process of becoming, and stepping into an older version of myself, and then writing a letter to my current self, of how to bridge the gap between my current self and my self that I'm becoming what, what are the practices that I do as that deeper and more expanded self that I'm turning into? And what what does she think about and what does she feel and what does she want? And what is she doing? And so I'm tapping into a future self and my current self, and I'm not telling my current self that she is wrong, I'm telling her, oh, you're becoming something you're in the process of becoming. And then I write, I write, and I bridge the gap between those two cells. So, so a little example of that,

Stirling 1:04:06

but it's, it's amazing. It's amazing. And it really is, it really is indicative of how much a journaling practice can change. Like when we say journal, we really do mean like 27,000 different things. It really is an umbrella. And it's, it's, again, so concisely, what I was saying with so many words earlier, were like what I was writing my creative output a year and a half ago in LA was these things that needed to come out. And now when I write it's nothing like that. And it is way more about being so grateful that I'm not in that place anymore. And understanding how amazing it is that I've moved so far from that point in time to at this point in time and what is the next jump going to look like? And it's very much I'm in the middle shifting from getting out of the dark and shifting towards what you just described, speaking from the light on the other end of that rubber band, I'm like in the middle and I'm like, Alright, okay, here's the balance point. Now what? What is it now? Now? What? Yeah, exactly. And no one else can tell me now what I have to figure that out and you figure it out for myself. Totally.

Hillary 1:05:21

Yeah. And like people can help and like, inspire and like, whatever. But ultimately, you, you know, and that's the whole point of this channel on this podcast and the things that we're creating is like, bringing you back to the fact that you know better than anyone else knows what's right for you. When maybe you forget, and you need little inspirations along the way, because we all do. Neat. We need pep talks. But But yeah, it's it's quite the journey to becoming yourself over and over again.

Stirling 1:05:57

Yeah, it never stops. No, that's kind of the point of what we're doing here on this planet being alive. What this is,

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Episode Transcript:

Stirling 0:11

Welcome to witchy wellness weekly. If you love learning and interweaving healthy self growth and making magic, this is the show for you. And when we come together This is where we share how to breathe magic into your daily practice with creative self care inspiration to empower your unique journey to easeful health through witchy wellness, so that you can remember that your health choice is always your own. We are here to empower your freewill to decide for yourself. I'm Sterling, your magical methods mentor, nature based medicine maker farm life purveyor and nerd for all things esoteric, you can find my alchemical experiments at WWW dot wild folk which muse.com We are joined by our co host. Hilary is a certified clinical Ayurvedic Practitioner with the eye of a fine artist specializing in customizing herbs, nutrition and habits that support your body's unique cyclical rhythms at WWW dot Wilde veda.com. To support this show, and we the creators or for behind the scenes content, early access a member only experiences come join the [email protected] slash witchy wellness. Our private community is a safe place to explore your inner magic, where you are the hero of your own story on a planet that is thriving. It's Prime Time to climb out of the broom closet my friends, because our Earth needs your wild magic. Right now.

Hillary 2:34

We're starting with Sterling eating cookies not being in the matrix with double doubles sound.

Previously experience

was horrible.

Stirling 2:46

It wasn't actually like technical difficulties, but we created a situation like multiple timelines overlapping Yeah, it was. It was a little trippy. It was a nice little feedback loop.

Hillary 3:01

Now you know what it's like to have visual and audio close. Okay,

Stirling 3:07

I'm like trying to figure out this microphone came with a mic stand. But I couldn't exactly figure out how to use it because either it needs another piece or I just ran out of attention for that task. Got it? I mean, yeah, like 37 mason jars in all the rooms of my house. Totally. But I'm not sure what to do with it. I mean, use the box. In mason jars are like my answer for all. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with you. I just would need like the next step. I'll just hold it. I'll just be I'll just be like, stand. Okay, great. Perfect. Hi Ellery. I love you. You're rolling everything out with you all week, because I've been listening to the first episode of our podcast and editing it so like, I've heard you every day this week. I know it's been a week for you. But mine we've been hanging out every day.

Hillary 4:18

So I've been hanging out with you every day. I'm like the cosmic realm anyway. It's same same but different.

Stirling 4:26

Names same but different. I want to put that on a T shirt to the whole t shirt collection. How do you feel about that? Let's make close. Oh, for sure I have. I have a sketchbook full of designs and I'm sure you have more than one sketchbook full of designs but I really would love to do that. So yes, okay.

We should probably make them like the self fulfilling print on demand, like or downloadable design kind and not something that we actually Have to mail to people because I am abysmal at actually mailing things to people.

Hillary 5:08

It takes so much time I do it with my art prints. And I'm like, this is all of the time.

Stirling 5:15

Yeah, like maybe just don't do that, like maybe just sell your art of digital downloads, and never ever ever have to deal with package fulfillment. Also, adult coloring books, that's a thing. Oh, yeah, have like scans or pictures of your line drawings before you fill them in so beautifully and your amazing artwork that you make that no one's listening to the podcast can see because this is an audio format. But in case you didn't know Hillary makes really pretty things with like, physical medium, like, I don't know, watercolors. What do you use?

Hillary 5:51

Yeah, watercolors and oils. And yes, I should do more of that. And I'm super down to do more of that great idea. And you'll be my manager.

Stirling 6:01

I'm really good at ideas. Yeah, that's my strong suit. I have all the ideas that are f*****g good ones. Someone do something with one, take them and fulfill them. Right. I'll give you 10 for one deal, great ideas.

Hillary 6:21

Totally. Okay, so today is Friday. It doesn't really matter because this will exist for forever and eternity. But in case you're wondering when this recording was made, it was happening on a Friday.

Stirling 6:36

Yeah, Friday, that's Freitas day. We're both hella Germanic. So that means something in the ancestral lineage right there. Although you know what's really interesting, so I'm talking about Freya, who is the goddess of beauty she's like really similar to Aphrodite, in Norse Pantheon. So like Northern Europe region, they conquered a lot of people. So she has been a lot of great places. But the strange thing is even though Freya is part of the integral, core Pantheon and like Norse and Germanic lore, and has a lot of parallels to Aphrodite, and Venus, etc. In the Norse Pantheon, it's actually acknowledged that Freya was a goddess that came from somewhere else and all the Norse god, the acier liked her so much. And she was so beautiful, and she was the one in charge of the golden apples that like gave youth and beauty and vague pseudo immortality to the gods because they weren't actually immortal, but they could eat free as golden apples and sort of be immortal, that they kept her there like you can be part of our Pantheon even though you come from somewhere else that's so long ago that no one really knows where that's from. Like even in the folklore they specifically say, we took this goddess from some other culture and put her in our array of goddesses because she's that dad.

When I heard that much like i think you know, we don't care where you came from girl you're pretty comfortable with

pink we wear pink on Wednesdays we wear pink. And Fridays phrase day, I mean, some people might argue and say it's phrase day and that's her twin. But please, Friday's phrase day, Come at me, bro, come at me.

Hillary 8:22

Oh, man, your your head full of knowledge is quite something. That's another trait of autism and girls. info dump my special interest. Doesn't matter if no one else can read their facial cues anyway. There was a little lag in that that sounded those slightly insane. But I don't know if that was because there was a lag.

Let's be honest.

Yes,

Stirling 8:57

I have much much of the informations so good about very particular things than being one of those things. Perfect.

Hillary 9:09

Okay, speaking of all of the things and the information, what do you want to do first you want to do like the interest outras and talking about like our stories, or like and follow that train? Or do you want to do like a little clip on the dreams and things like that first? What do you want to do first?

I don't care.

Unknown Speaker 9:39

Whatever you want to do first,

Hillary 9:42

let's

let's like do it. Let's talk about our backgrounds. And then I think that'll like warm us up and then we'll do intros and outros. Let's do it so that we like then we can kind of like get the energy flowing just like you were talking about. I like going into your background about all of your things.

Unknown Speaker 10:06

Okay, Tag, you're it, you go first. Okay, let's Ah, he was asking, let's ask each other questions. Like, why don't we do that? So, you want to ask me questions first, or you want me to ask you? Um, wait, what we have to pause again, because I have to pee again because I drink all the way.

Stirling 10:35

And my whole sound system situation is set up on to and around my toilet because this is like, my computer's literally on my toilet.

Hillary 10:46

Do you want to pause? Or I can pause the recording and then we can come back? Sure. Okay. Okay, causing that. So Hillary,

Stirling 11:00

in our last podcast, and potentially future podcasts, and maybe also books and courses that we are creating. You talk a lot about nutrition, and you give advice, why should anyone listen to your advice? and well being?

Hillary 11:17

Well, I guess first of all, I would even say, maybe kid, but all mimili Take care. Because I think that is the essence of what I want to like, convey to people in my teachings of like, use this information to return back to yourself and your own inner knowledge and knowing about what feels right. And that can be really confusing if you're like, in this soupy mess of information. So I think, yeah, I think the part to listen to is the simplification and feeling what is resonating with you on a, like, less surface level of like, Oh, this is information that I need to like, use to be healthy and like falling back into yourself? I mean, like, does this actually feel good? I'm going to try this out. And I'm going to experiment with my health because just following one person or train of thought, or nutrition advice, I don't think about the answer at all, to any of the questions, or any of the questions. And yeah, it's like, hard and esoteric, but at the same time, it's not like, when we're little kids, we know what we want, we put something in our mouth, we like it, we don't, we want to wear certain things, we want to express a certain way, then we learn that all of our ways maybe are not right, or whatever we learn as we grow, and then I think as we become adults, we take back our autonomy and sovereignty in our choices. And when we return to Our little kid knowing selves. So hopefully, hopefully, we all do, hopefully, that's the goal is returning to our own knowing. So if you're going to take my advice, I advise you not to take my advice. And to listen for what feels right for you. And do those things and follow follow your inner path. And maybe I can help inspire a little bit of that. And that is Michael.

Stirling 13:46

So in a choice between the red pill or the blue pill, Mm hmm. Remember, the matrix is the matrix or forget the matrix is the matrix. Wait.

Hillary 13:58

You said so in the choice of the red pill or the blue pill, and then it it got weird.

Stirling 14:06

Which Ladies and gentlemen, let's remember is the choice between waking up to the matrix being matrix or not waking up and not remembering you're in the matrix. What Hillary is recommending is not to take any pills and maybe just go drink some tea.

Hillary 14:28

Maybe yourself completely from the polarity of all things and find yourself and then live outside of the polarity. Maybe make the third choice which is not taking colourful pills from a guy in sunglasses that you just met. He is wearing his sunglasses inside. All right. Very true and don't don't take his pills. Right and that's a really good point of like, you always have more options than what is presented on the surface. like there might be seemingly the two options, do I go one way or do I go the other way. And maybe the other other way, is stepping back taking your own magic pills that you make yourself out of whatever you want to make.

Stirling 15:16

And even just acknowledging that in a situation of polarity, there is the option to not choose the two opposing sides, or one or either or both. You can actually opt out of the whole divisive conversation, but in and of itself, will allow you to transcend the moment.

Hillary 15:41

Again, spiritual teachings, it's like stepping up stepping, rising above duality, and seeing, seeing them as like, two poles of the same thing and that you can just witness and exist. And you can literally apply that to anything.

Stirling 16:01

And all the things I keep wanting to snap my fingers like that beatnik thing, like, Oh, yeah, finger snaps. And then I realized that makes the microphone peak. And people that are listening, don't know that I'm snapping my fingers. So I don't get like the cool credibility for making the gesture. And also, it might be annoying. So instead, I'm gonna say the word upset your snaps and everyone listening. Just imagine that's me. Like with this squinty eyed look on my face like, yeah. snapping my fingers like a jazz cat. Okay, that's what finger snaps me. Yeah.

So on that note,

tell us a little bit about what led you to the realization that nobody should take his advice when it comes to their health.

To have anything to say about individualized health care approach?

Hillary 17:04

That is an excellent question. And I have spent many, many, many years upwards of a decade or more actually very much more, more than more. Trying to find the teaching that works for me. And in my quest of finding the teaching and trying all of the different lineages and ways and being like, well, this halfway works, but not this way. And like, you know, first following these spiritual paths and like yogic paths and trying to renounce the physical world and live in the spiritual realm, or follow a specific yogic path and then realizing it was created for young men to like, contain their sexual energy. And this is depleting me like all these different paths, trying them, and feeling that they worked partially. And then realizing that they don't work completely for me, and they don't work all the time. And so then realizing that especially being a woman that we operate in circle in like circular nature, and like we just talked about linear time versus circular time. Are you okay? I just realized I've had my microphone turned off this entire time. Really? Have you been? Have you been able to hear me? Yeah, literally flipped the switch on. I just turned my mic off while

Stirling 18:42

she's talking so that the dog snoring behind me or the duck in the basket don't like make weird noises while she's having this like, really profound moment that everyone's gonna want to hear the details of. So I went to click my mic off,

Hillary 18:56

and it's on, off, it's off, and I turned it on. Does it make any difference? I mean, am I on the podcast at all? Am I Are you hearing any difference now? I don't hear any difference. And you've I've heard your audio the entire time. I'm gonna stop holding this to my face then please. Wow, our tech day has been quite awesome so far. Mercury must be drinking Gatorade. Oh, man. Um, okay, so what were we saying? Oh,

Stirling 19:37

yoga is for Young Dudes from 2000 years ago if we don't want to come from that and it was a revolution.

Hillary 19:50

But like, all of these different things, they have like these incredible teachings and yet they're like, they're What is it? They're not Like a means to an end or like, maybe they are but not for me. And it just felt like so confusing like following all these things and being like, okay, but this isn't really it. And this isn't really fully working for me and like trying being vegan for a very long time trying being paleo trying like keto trying green juice, trying intermittent fasting, trying like a yogic sattvic diet. Every single time I tried those things for long periods of time, they never worked. And they always caused a ripple effect to some other issue for me. And finally, I was like, wow, I have been trying so many things that everyone says works and like the pictures of people that it works were very fancy. So why does it not work for me? And why do I feel like s**t when I'm like in this health world, supposedly doing all the things right? Taking the right herbs, doing the right practices, drinking the right elixirs meditating on the things like and just realizing like, Oh, f**k, actually, I'm gonna have this buffet. And I'm gonna choose the things that work for me in the moment, like sometimes Sorry, I'm like speaking in one huge run on Sunday. And that's okay. When you talk, you don't have to say the punctuation, period. And like, like, Lately, I've been finding, oh, I've been in these like, rigid. I've been on these like rigid paths ongoingly for a really long time yet. I work in circles, like our seasons, for example, work in circles, circular nature, the day is a circular thing. Like the clocks, everything is circles. And when I do yoga, for example, and I'm doing these warrior poses that are very like straight and narrow. I actually want to like undulate, and be in the circle and like feel different than what is being told. Long story short. I really like a snake Ma. Yeah, that's usually my long story short. Yeah, I shaved the base just drops. Yeah, like I just want I want to cycle with things. And sometimes different practices are right for the moment. And sometimes they're not, like, always kind of taking into account. Are you depleted? Or do you? Are you like, nourished and needing like to move energy? Or do you need to like, gain? And I don't know, it's just like I even talk in circles. I'm realizing Am I making any sense is this is this thing. You do not have to apologize. I do not accept your apology, keep that s**t. Paid. I take it back. I don't want to hear saris bait. Okay. back around to your question then. Which was like, why? Listen to me about not taking people's advice. Why should people take your advice to not take advice? I think it's really good to learn a bunch of different paths, and not necessarily subscribe fully to them and create your own buffet with the things that work in the moments that they work and release. The things that don't, I hope that

Stirling 23:57

it was like two there were two diverging metaphors there. And I wanted to go with both of them. And I didn't know which one to chase. But even two diverging metaphors. Obviously for us, we have to go up the paths one. So yes, it's really fun to hike on trails that have been marked. But it's also really fun to walk through the woods, not on a trail. And there's a really big difference between a deer trail and the path up to Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles in Los Angeles. Those are not the same hike. And do you really want to do the same hike every single day? Do you want to know exactly where you're trying to get to because 1000 other people went there before even though maybe that's not actually the hike you're wanting to do because it's actually about the hike, and not about where it's going. Yet just kind of the thing that everyone sort of seems to miss in our society and maybe all societies maybe that's just what our monkey minds do, but it's about

the journey. Yeah, you might as well enjoy it and when you get to the buffet

You do not have to eat every single cheese stick The guy in front of you, he sneezed. He touched the chasis. And he put them back. Do you really want a second? hands? knees? Yes, cheese sticks. No, you're not even eating cheese right now your stop trying to eat everything at the buffet looks like there was this trend on YouTube for a while because I love YouTube, where people were going through drive throughs at restaurants, usually fast food and getting up to the window and ordering exactly what the person ahead of that ordered the car ahead of them. So they were like, just give me everything that they ordered, and then getting the order and then eating it, even if it was things that they didn't like, or they didn't know what it was, or it was a super huge order or whatever. And that was like a trend that inspired 1000s of videos of different people doing this on YouTube. It's kind of like living your whole life like that. Oh, wait, no. Yeah. So maybe just like figure s**t out for yourself.

Hillary 26:01

Right? And I think, yeah, it gets complex. Because if you don't know where to start, like, maybe it is helpful for you to start with, like a path that you feel interested in, you know? So it's like this, there isn't an answer. And I think people don't like to hear that. It's like, we want these very clean, like cut and dry. Do this. Not that because it's easier for our minds. But if we can like actually sink into the fact that like, we're choosing to create our life in every moment, and like, you get to reinvent yourself over and over again. And you don't have to reinvent the wheel. But you can. And I don't know, I don't know if this is helpful because I do feel like people want some simple, easy answers.

People do

Stirling 27:00

people want simple, easy answers. This is super helpful. I just realized that I can record my audio on my phone at the same time and then overlay it if if the audio is not super quality, like it sort of was last time. Look at that coming up with all the solutions. Like we know thing says the girl who didn't even check that her microphone was switched on because her having a microphone in general. So genius. Okay, well, yeah. Great. That totally answered the question without answering the question at all, which is kind of the case in point. So like, really meta, and I'm sure you did consciously. Tell us about your specific training so that when this podcast blows up, and people be like, but why are you doing what she said, someone can be like, excuse me, that amazing woman went to 17,000 and a half years of Ayurvedic college. And she like wrote papers on that s**t.

Hillary 28:03

Oh, man. Okay, so like my background and my training and all the things? Yes, please. And then I'll transcribe it for the about page on our blog. Okay, amazing. Um, yeah, let's see, I started studying. When I was in college for art I went to I went to Long Beach day, I studied art, and like drawing and painting and lots of psychedelics, which was changing my art and making did you study the psychedelics? Was that part of the Long Beach State curriculum, not part of Long Beach State curriculum that was like, what's it called, like an after school program,

extra extra curricular activity for curricular activities. So So you were already experimenting with where the paths diverged? Yep. Very institutionalized. And I'm very not at the same time, and exploring, like different realms of my psyche, and such as that nature, which will do that psychedelics will do that make you go into the subterranean areas. And so anyways, I was doing that and practicing yoga with this really incredible teacher at Dharma, and Long Beach. And so my paths were kind of converging in that way. And my art was becoming about these spiritual teachings of yoga and also about the inner journeys that I was taking. My yoga teacher led me to IR VEDA to start to heal. And when she did, it was like this deep remembering which a lot of people have that experience with iron beta, when they learn it. It's like, I know, this makes sense to me. Like, I know this on like some deep level. I know this, because it's very cosmic. And it's also very Earth based like elemental medicine. It's very simple. And it's very complex. polarity planet. It's both. So yeah, so I started studying with a different teacher, I started studying AI or VEDA online while I was in college, taking art classes as well. And then, when I graduated, I went on to a different school to study IR VEDA solely at the California College of Ayurveda, where I did my studies and internship and practiced, worked in the punch of karma department doing therapy is on people and guiding people through like these deep, deep healing practices and deep dives into three, returning to themselves that kind of what happened. Oh, look, there you are, me, we meet again, we meet again. And that was kind of it like when you simplify your food and the stimulation around you. And when you remove yourself from the chaos of daily life, like on these on these retreats to go inward, there you are, you find you find that you're there. And it's simple, and you can reverse a lot of things that have built up over time. So that's sort of where it began. And then I just continued to study I continued to practice, I then went to a different school. After those studies, to the deonna Center, which is an Ayurvedic center in Sebastopol. Both places are in Northern California. And I studied and practiced with my teacher there who taught me in a different way. She's kind of like a shaman that practices many like Earth based medicines under the umbrella of IR VEDA, but she's much more vast than just that practice. And really studied, like women's health and the health of the lymphatic system, and like breast health, and all kinds of different things. Always, always kind of like on these lines of like, Oh, I have to do this to feel healthy yet. Meanwhile, my health was like deteriorating. And so it felt really confusing to me, because I was doing the right things. And so checking all the boxes, all the boxes, so like, another long story short, is like 10 plus years of really intense study and practice. Meanwhile, not feeling healthy and having my health degrade over time. So then, Len, looking into like hormone specialists, and naturopaths and all these other all these other lineages and trying to incorporate different things, seeing acupuncturist understanding, like Chinese medicine poles versus Indian poles versus like, what's going on Western medically and just really doing a lot, a lot of self study and self study of my friends, and trying to figure it all out. Doing the most. So that's my background in studying, apparently. Yeah,

Stirling 33:36

you know, because it's, like, really easy to consolidate three decades of information into a 32nd. soundbite.

Yeah. in one dimension, like,

Hillary 33:51

exactly. And yeah, I mean, there's so much more Of course, there's like, you know, all the different yogic paths that I've studied and practiced, and then healers that I've seen and studied their lineages and onwards and onwards.

Stirling 34:07

And hopefully upwards maybe and upwards. If that's the way the path is going. Who knows.

Beautiful. Well, I think you're cool. So also, that's a reason to listen to what Hillary says. Social proof. Right. That's a big deal. I am vouching for her. Oh, thanks, babe. Yeah, welcome and

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Hillary 35:51

Totally. I also want to like flip the script and have you explain why people should listen to what I say. Oh, well, because I'm obsessed with Word. Yes, Yes, you are. You're also obsessed with many, many things, which makes you an expert of many, many things. Because

Yeah.

Something to know about Sterling. She's very obsessive. She's very knowledgeable. She's an incredible human. That is a little spark, not little, she's her body is very, she's very tiny. But she is also very huge. And her like a little fireball, and with huge impact. So she's going to tell us about herself and a Why. Why should we listen to you, Sterling? or Why are you this voice that on here that we need to listen to? Well,

Stirling 36:59

I'm mean, I just have to say, it's not that you should listen to me. It's that it's really hard not to because I have a lot to say. And I say it really fast. And I'm generally pretty loud. I don't typically have volume control. And I usually climb on top of things. So the sound of my voice carries farther. So it's not that you should listen to me, it's that I probably at some point, you're gonna end up hearing something that I'm saying. But lucky for you and me and everyone involved. I mean, at least I think it's interesting. I typically think the things I'm saying are interesting. I am extremely neurodivergent, which is like my new buzzword. My brain has always been neurodivergent. I just didn't know what to call it that until recently. Not to people. Yeah. So the way things happen in the neuro chemistry, the chemicals inside my mind, operate in a way that diverges. So neuro is your brain. divergent means that splitting up the pathways, that's where things diverged. So you have a freeway, you have an off ramp, the off ramp goes to a different road, maybe it's like through the back backwards like a long clip side, one lane dirt road and the freeway. I am one lane dirt road, my brain wiring is diverges from neuro typical brain wiring, which I kind of always knew I just didn't necessarily have the vocabulary for it. And one of the things that this indicates is that I get obsessed with my special interests. And sort of, sort of that's an understatement, and intensely hyper focus to the point of total burnout until I've absorbed as much information as I possibly can. So I am capable of info dumping, which is exactly what it sounds like whenever I am inspired to do so by anything that has currently or previously held my interest long enough for me to absorb facts about it, which I've kind of just always thought was normal because that's the way my brain works. But I've had people pointed

out I mean, probably all my life, but I'm paying a lot more attention. Now as an adult I've had people pointed out in my adulthood, and realize that not everyone is a walking dictionary. And not everyone has spent 1000s upon 1000s of hours researching things and not everyone has multiple degrees in totally seemingly unrelated fields that I think are actually perfectly connected, which include like a bachelor's degree in educational psychology and a bachelor's degree in design and visual communications and certificates in PR Culture design and circus and performance and educational Kinesiology and neuro linguistic programming. There's that prefix again neuro so you know it has to do with the brain and linguistic means it has to do with language. And that is another thing I'm obsessed with is language, which you could probably tell if you listen to that bit about the route of Friday being phrase day, which connects to another one of my really intense, specific special interests, which is folklore. Because I think fundamentally, humans are creatures that understand and communicate through story. So yes, language is important, because words have meaning words are metaphors. Words are how we communicate the pictures that are in our heads. But the pictures in our heads are the stories that we're telling ourselves, because of the information we take in because of what we've experienced, and the way that we are able to interact with each other and to build our world. And our consensual reality is through the stories that we tell ourselves and tell others. So language is important, because it communicates that but what's actually the most fundamentally important is the stories that we tell ourselves, because these are the stories that make our life. And these are the stories that make up the world around us. And so to me, that's the unifying factor of everything that I can really infodump about is that there are these stories that humans for longer than time and memorable. And across all cultures, and all languages and all socio economic classes, tell the same stories. And I love that I love looking at things like the way that you're just so concisely put, what is the root of this type of yoga that we do now here in the West? And where does it come from? Because that has its root in the Vedas, just like your Vedic medicine does. It has its root in the fetus and the Vedas are this amazingly deep, broad, expansive set of mythology and folklore, that is still very much alive, it's still very much living and breathing, the culture that has its roots, in those stories, has been telling those stories consistently, for a very long time, which is totally different than a lot of the stories that inform our Western culture right now, like Hellenistic, Greco, Roman, Norse or Celtic storylines and folklore, because those have all been stratified and systematically disintegrated by newer story constructs that sort of CO OPT and steal the archetypes. And I'm referring specifically to Christianity there in case anyone missed that monotheism in general. But we'll gloss over that for the time being. So I like making all the comparisons and understanding that these stories that are told in the vetoes that are the root of this medicine that you study, and the yoga that everyone's doing, and all these are really great, super heavy tattoos of the shop dreads. And I'm shocked you shocked us like, okay, what's the story behind that? Oh, wait, the story behind that is actually the super epic cosmic Battle of these space God aliens that came to earth and fought over their progeny, which is us that have like this Earth and Space DNA mix. Interesting, because that's the exact same story that the aborigines tell and the Dogon tribe in Central Africa, and the Norse pagans who borrowed Freya, from a different Pantheon, because they thought she was a cool goddess, they also came from space and fought a war over their half human hybrid children. So like, I mean, if you want to listen to what I have to say, it's gonna sound a lot like that periodically.

Hillary 44:02

That's an incredible, incredible characteristic, they pull all of this wisdom and magic and understanding and like, bring it together in a comprehensive way for people to understand and be like, Wow, there are these main themes pulsing through everything. And you can pull them from any culture that you go to.

Stirling 44:27

Yep, that's true. That's, that was such a really great way to concisely rephrase that. That's a really beautiful skill that you have. That's another reason that you should listen to Hillary she has this really great skill that she just demonstrated, which made me feel very heard and understood. And also, for anyone that didn't follow my huge verbal explosion. She just summed it up for you. So like, you don't have to rewind the whole podcast just listen to what she just said. And like that's that brought together perfectly. Um, so thank you. I feel heard and also Yeah, That is exactly it is that you can decide to look for the core of the story anywhere. And it's the same story, we're all telling the same story. We're all living the same story, we're all writing the story, which is why it is so important to understand and pay attention to the stories that you're telling yourself because you are making that s**t up. Not in a bad way. Not like it's not real, it's very real, and you are making it up. So like decide to make a good story. That's very much very much what I've been focusing on. And it's so important to me to like really understand what being neurodivergent means, because it actually gives me this toolset to be able to see like, oh, when I've had like, really intense meltdowns, or like manic episodes, or other things that happen because of the way that my brain is wired, and the way that our culture is not constructed. For a brain wired like mine, I'm able to process that information differently. And instead of just telling myself that I'm a failure, and I'm flaky, and I'm crazy, and I'm chaotic, I can look at it from a different perspective and think, Okay, well, these were my red flags, that I was approaching meltdown. And I'm familiar with those, because those happened before. And these were the instances where I took risks that were probably not very wise, because I hadn't taken the time to plan. And these are the ways in which I could work on structuring systems for myself, so that I can feel more successful, and be able to prioritize what I actually want my life to be like better. So my personal focus these days is very much in constructing systems to optimize how I am able to operate my mind so that I can achieve the things that I want to achieve. And I want to help as many people as possible, do that. achieve the things they want to achieve and figure out what those things are, and realize that they are the ones offering their own story, and everyone needs to wake the f**k up. Because our planet is literally on fire. And we don't get another one. This is it. You guys, this is it. Wake up. Okay. Thanks.

Hillary 47:23

My job? Don't worry, it's not on. Yes. Oh, my God, this is so good. Yes. My god, I would totally listen to our podcast. Well, you had this genius mind. And it's really, um, you need a platform to share. And so I'm really glad that we're doing this and that you have this platform and that it is going to expand and ripple out and the people that need to hear you and who feel the same way as you and who have minds that operate like yours, are going to be able to take a very deep breath when they hear you. Yeah, we need each other. And there's more, there's more people having similar experiences that don't fit the typical mold that we tend to see. So

Stirling 48:20

yeah, it is a very specific mold. Thank you, I feel so hurt and Hodor. So understood, and that was beautiful. And I love you. And it is a very typical mold that people have to fit in to be successful in our society. And specifically, I don't know if you're watching or listening or if you know us, or if you don't know us. But Hilary and I both grew up in Northern California, very near each other, but in completely different cultures, which is something interesting that happens in Northern California that you may not be aware of, if the only California you have a concept of is what you see on TV, because where we come from is not that California. And so Hillary grew up adjacent to probably one of the most affluent places in North America. And I grew up

just over the hills a little bit

north of there in one of the most impoverished places in the United States. So we were literally raised 45 minutes apart. And I went to the 13th lowest performing High School in California. And Hillary went to the kind of school where it was like normal to go to a four year university after high school. And then we didn't know each other then we actually have like this really amazing core group of people who all grew up what within 40 miles as the crow flies, and none of us knew each other until we were adults. But it's interesting because this place where we grew up is it is this juxtaposition of ocean and land and rural and urban and affluent and impoverished. And it can all be described like that. It's wine country. It's super rich, boozy, b*****s. Wine Tasting and first gen immigrants that came over the border from Central America who are picking the grapes right outside. Like it's, that is a really good encapsulation of what Northern California is like, and I don't remember why

Hillary 50:17

you're talking about like, the way that we met and how we are like existing in these totally opposite, opposite realities beforehand and why our information comes together in a good way. Yeah,

Stirling 50:32

what she said, Oh, look at that one your team. Imagine if I was doing a podcast by myself. we would we would go on so many adventures and wonder. Everyone will be lost. Everyone be like, let's follow her. She looks like she's going on a really interesting path. Now if you like. We, why don't we come here?

Oh, yeah. Okay, so I'll talk actually a little bit more about about less about my brain and more about what I've actually done so people can get an idea for that maybe because, so we Hillary and I grew up very close to each other, but didn't know each other. And then I went to college. Also in Northern California, near where we grew up, but not that close is also its own little weird bubble is like the most PhDs per capita of anywhere in the US. But then all farmland for miles and miles in every direction outside of this place. It's a weird, weird little bubble. And I made the best friends I had had ever in my life. They were so different than the people I grew up with. Because I was born and raised in the same very, very small town of 1000 people who mostly either rode horses or did math, like if we're being honest. And usually one or the other, not typically both. And so then I went to university, and I met the most amazing people ever, and one of them was Hillary's brother. And so he's one of my best friends from college. But I never met Hillary, I didn't meet her I spent everyday I lived three houses away from this man, I spent every day with him for a large portion of time. And then Gosh, then, school ended and I went on a crazy road trip with another one of our mutual amazing friends who also grew up in the same place and didn't know either of us when we were kids. A shout out to now and totally had an intensely manic episode, because she and I were made, we want to grant to make a documentary of our road trip of West Coast festival culture. And so I need just imagine having completed a university degree in four years, and then going on an adventure like that I burnt out so hard, so hardcore, and I ran away to the mountains. And this is something that I've also learned about my brain is that I have these super epic manic episodes and flights of fancy. And like all this explosive experience, followed by months on end, where I need to be a complete hermit and not talk to anyone and basically fall off the face of the earth. And so I did that in the Colorado Rockies. And then I, a lot of other things happened. I ran away with the circus. I was a rock star in Europe, headlining stages burnt out again, obviously after I don't know, backpacking around Asia, and Europe, performing with the circus and having no money. And there's a lot of ebb and flow like that, where I felt really, really successful for months on end, and then basically hit rock bottom and got super clinically depressed for months on end. Because I didn't know how to moderate my brain. Many years after this.

I don't even know how many,

probably six or seven years after running away with the circus. I was in a tiny town again in Northern California and very strange and specifically unique place. That was a large part of the gold rush and is now a large part of the green rush involving farming cannabis, Nevada in the mountains. Hey, Nevada city. And I was at this place called elix art, which is what it sounds like. It is exactly what it sounds like. And I had drank a lot of cacau like, more than one person should drink because on Friday nights, yep. Friday night, full moon, they have bottomless cocoa. And someone who was there that I was talking to that I don't think I'd ever met before. I said I want to go dance under the full moon and she said I heard about a party Follow me. So I followed this person into the darkness of the night, in up into the mountain into the woods, into the woods in the dark. And sure enough, we got to this house, and there was lots of music and it was really good music. So I was like alright, cool. And I just walked into this house. I mean, obviously the person who led me there was already gone. I don't even remember their name. I don't know who it was. I don't think you invited them. I don't think they knew you. I think they were just a magical fairy. That was like fun into the woods, little girl, show you drop houses. And I was like, Yeah, that's a great idea. I love stories like this. So I followed the Pixie into the woods, the house was playing some really awesome wampie bass, funky break, something that I liked that spoke deeply to me very loudly from a large set of speakers. And there was a DJ in the living room. And I was like, Yes. DJ in the living room. This is exactly what I wanted. Thank you full moon. Thank you, Leo season, because it was Leo season. We'll get to that part of the story in a minute. So I walk into my start rocking now get as close to the speakers as I can.

If not, that's fine. This is. Yeah,

this is exactly what I want. So I start, I go to dance right in front of the speakers and rock out. Because that's like a really great way for me to enjoy the intense sensory input that comes with my neurological condition. And the DJ was doing a great job. So I wanted to tell the DJ that they were doing a great job, and I was vibing their music, and I look at the DJ. And it's my best friend from college, who I haven't seen any years. And I freaked out and I yelled at him. And he yelled at me. And then we collided. And we were so happy and everything was amazing. And then he tells me. I was like what what are you what are you doing here? So

he's he said, What

are you doing here? I thought you were in Prague or something? And I was like, No, I'm here. I wanted to dance under the full moon. What are you doing here? And he said, This is my sister's house. It's her birthday. And I went, why? Guess

Unknown Speaker 56:56

it was Hillary and it was her birthday. And then we fell in love. It was my birthday. And we were having a wonderful time Full Moon party was gonna die. And they lived happily ever after.

Hillary 57:11

Totally. Like people, random people met each other at that party and fell in love who are still together to this day. Me and Stirling fell in love who were still together to like us. Yeah,

Stirling 57:23

that's what happened. It was amazing. I mean, I always loved your brother. I always feel like one of my favorite people. But now I know you exist. You're him. But you also are a woman. It's amazing. And then a lot of really fantastic things happened after that, which will probably have to go into great detail over at some point in time. Oh, because then we had like another miraculous meeting sort of like that when the dust cleared at Burning Man. And all of a sudden I was standing in your camp and I didn't know that and you didn't know that you were

Hillary 58:01

Yeah, but yeah, you you like moved in with me after that party. You know, hurling was like I need a place to stay. And I was like, Well, I'm in love with you after this one night on my birthday. You should just move into my room and share my room with me.

Stirling 58:21

And also you can bring these other happy b*****s following you around. There was like three of us on the floor in your room for a while I forgot about that. Yeah, I stayed with me for like a month I think

it was longer than a month but it wasn't a month like it wasn't the whole time straight right cuz it cuz it was like a season.

It was like your birthday is in the summer and it was like well into fall before I we went to Portland to look for place.

Hillary 58:52

So crazy. Yes, we we just like, merged on my birthday. And then we were like, wow, we have so much in common and so much to share. And we were practicing, like AI or Vedic philosophy together. We were rubbing oils on our bodies every night we're anointing ourselves. like doing all the 90s dance parties. Oh, we did that we played dress up we we really was really great. We This is like back to what we started with about like writing our own stories. Like how do we want to write our stories and we came together and we're like, oh, you know I think to one thing that I see in this like realm of growth and expansion and love is like people want their their romantic partnership to be that but you can call in friends that are those things as well. And you said that like totally like friend loves that are just so magic and help you grow and expand and support you emotionally and mentally. So

Stirling 1:00:05

it's really cool to because that was that whole storyline was actually like many years ago, like I was just thinking about it, it was five and a half years ago, six years ago. So and and our, the way that paths can weave and reconverge like that is really beautiful. And that's another really magical and affirming thing that happens when you do choose your own path and trust your own intuition and make your own decisions and make yourself the master of your life and write your own story is that the universe or the powers that be or Freya or God or whoever it is that's talking to you when you talk to them? We'll just like sprinkle this fairy dust and like, throw these little things in your way like Haha, and then what happens and oh, look over here.

I literally like last month, I was like, I want to start a podcast and I want to call it wild magic.

I wonder if there's a wild magic

podcast already. And I typed into Google wild magic. And the first search result was this website called Wild magic. And I was like, that sounds cool. And I clicked on it. And I was reading and I was like, this doesn't just sound cool. This sounds like familiar in a strange way. And I scroll down and it's Hillary's f*****g website. I should find a Google that s**t. Number one search result. The universe is like, yes, you should start a podcast Sterling. you absolutely should. That's a great idea. You and You should call it well, magic. Wow, that's like so original. You must have come up with that all by yourself. Hey, you know what else that you hadn't even thought of and hadn't even crossed your little conscious little silly little neurodivergent mind. You should do it with Hillary.

Hillary 1:01:56

It's so true. I had I had an email on my like, website of wild magic that was like, Oh my god, I found you. I googled wild magic because I wanted to start a thing and your wild magic. And this is your long lost love. And we just we just merged and we're like, yep, this is what we're doing now.

Probably,

as the universe would have it. That is literally the definition of wild magic, things that are wild by nature and magical by nature. Like you can't plan that s**t. You can't like it's just, it's magical. And it's f*****g wild.

Stirling 1:02:43

Absolutely. And that's the best kind. You know, there's like, there's a lot of kinds of magic. There's like seri ceremonial magic and high magic and low magic and Disney Channel magic. And all that s**t is like really scripted and really planned out. And you have to do it like a certain way and a process with particular steps. But wild magic in a like that Yo, wild magic number one is way more powerful than all those other things combined. Those are like tiny little eyedroppers compared to Niagara Falls when you think about the power. But also, it's wild. So like, if you've ever surfed or swam in the ocean, or snowboarded down and later Later glacier, or

paragliding, or spent the night out in the woods and not in a tent, or, or, or, or, or you've tasted what like wild

actually is, and it's amazing. It's beautiful, and it's terrifying. And it's very powerful. And it's also the fundamental constitution of our nature as humans, because we have these bodies, and we are animals on this planet. We are all wild, and society and civilization has been attempting to domesticate that out of us. And I think and Hillary thinks, I believe I could speak for us both here, that it is really like very of the utmost number one most important thing for us to do right now for the sake of our lives, and our selves and our planet, and our entire existence and our souls and spirits and all the other really important stuff to read wild connect with the wild nature. That is the thing, the wild nature, the wild magic is what will guide you when you're trying to decide which path to take when you're trying to choose what to eat at the buffet. You have to tune into that thing, because that's the we talked about the first voice like knowing yourself and listening to your first voice and tuning into your intuition. And that is and that's you, and that's centered in you. And then there's the wild magic in the wild magic. It runs through you. So that first voice of you is connected to that. But the wild magic is more than that.

The Wild magic is the thing. That connects

that knowing of your intuition and your first voice to that level of everything else. Yes. This isn't what we plan to talk about.

Hillary 1:05:16

everyone listening knows we, every single time that we set out to do this, we're like, we're gonna talk about this thing. But let's see what happens, which is the wild magic. Yeah,

Stirling 1:05:29

we're gonna talk about dream journals. And then we're gonna, like get sound bites for intros and outros, and then we'll like talk about this course that Hillary is launching. Or we'll

Unknown Speaker 1:05:37

just, we'll just channel out what the wild magic tells us to. That's the beauty of it.

Hillary 1:05:50

Hmm, amazing. I love your brains. I love your neuro divergence.

Stirling 1:05:56

I really do to actually, when I'm in a good mood, when I'm in a bad mood, I'm my mom. I feel differently about it. But that's what I'm learning is that maybe I actually have tools and systems to build a scaffolding around the pit of despair. So I don't actually have to, like, scuba dive into it.

Hillary 1:06:16

Totally. And I think that we should do another episode about this, like very specifically, like what you experience being like your nature. And I'd be so stoked to talk about it from an Ayurvedic perspective. I want to do that and talk about it like Ella mentally because I feel like, what you've what you've figured out for yourself, you're, and I've heard you say it a couple of times of like, I have to create these systems so that it creates this like, almost like safety net to, to hold you and catch you from expanding too far out or going too fast or crashing and burning. And in IR VEDA, Sterling is a very magical constitution. And an extreme an extreme case. Like, there's so many variables, I really have an extreme case. Yeah, and the best way cuz it gives us like, I feel like I'm on the spectrum of extremes that gives us examples of like, oh, like, at its most, this is what is possible. And this is what can happen. Like, for example, Sterling is very much like ether and air with fire. And yeah, and not much earth or water at all. And none of that. And, but it's pretty magical, because she like, if you think about fire, like wind plus fire creates these like huge, massive fires, which maybe look at that and you think, ah, but fire is like transformative. It's like clarity, it burns through the b******t and like, the clutter and the chaos and just like burns the path and Sterling has that and then I'm talking to you in third person.

I love it.

That's how I talked to myself too.

I'm talking to the listeners about you, case study. But she has a spire or you have this fire. And then you also have this, like wind and ether, like the ether is the space and her like spaciousness. She's like the container of all things. So she has this vast overlook of, of things. And that's how she can make these connections from from far reaching places. And she's able to bring them together in a really succinct way where you're like, wow, I would never have thought about these different paths connecting in this way. And that's why you have the ability to because you have this like huge cosmic bass container that pulls them back together. And you have this like motion or wind that moves you from one thing to the other. And the fire is like the fastest with the wind. So you have this thing. And in IR VEDA, it's like creating stability for those for those energies to move through you like, like how you've created systems and management of these energies and like had to figure it out on your own. This is like, what is needed in order to like contain, if you will, like going like the esoteric or Vedic route or whatever the Shakti, the energy that's like moving through you containing it with these things so that you're effective in that motion in that interconnectivity that is like your gift to this world. So buck, yes. And we'll Live it. We want more of it. See?

Stirling 1:10:06

And it's really interesting because that is exactly all the things you said are very true. You're so perceptive, oh my gosh, everyone should book a one on one consultation for customized therapeutic plan and the habits from Hillary, which you can do on her website, wild vitta.com. We'll link it in the show notes. And also to loop it all back. The place that we all grew up and didn't know each other from that is still our ancestral Homes is the kind of place that just keeps getting ravaged by these super huge wildfires. So it's like very poetic and super poignant and super personal. Because that's exactly what it is

Hillary 1:10:45

totally your your like, home place, especially has burned and every year and burned every year. Every year burns down every year

Stirling 1:10:55

people lose their houses. I'm more than half of my closest childhood friends have lost everything in different fires because it's always burning. And you think there wasn't anything left to burn? There's always something left. There's always more than there is always something left to burn. So true.

Hillary 1:11:16

Yeah. Like brings it to the macrocosm microcosm like large scale, small scale. Always. Okay, shall we wrap up?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:26

Yeah, feeling that too. Thank you Wilds manager. Yeah, totally. Okay, well,

Hillary 1:11:35

we are Oh, well,

Stirling 1:11:35

this is the first time for us to practice something that sounds like a sign out.

So everybody listening We love you. Thank you for being here. Also, we will be blogging at the aforementioned website wild magic.com. And that's magic with a K y'all because magic with the K is different than magic with the sea and being extremely precise with your language is very important when you are working with intention and understanding the difference and nuances between things just like my name is Sterling with an eye, not Sterling with an E. Those are two different things Sterling with an eye is a place in Scotland. That's where William Wallace in Braveheart was like yo, gun tech are blah, blah, blah. But that Sterling Sterling castle is there. That's where Mary Queen of Scots got her head chopped off Sterling with an E is the British Pound sterling sterling silver. These are two different things. So while magic with the k.com. We'll be blogging there. Hillary also has a website specifically for her eye or vitta practice which she does specialize in customizing plans, and doing one on one consultations. And that's wild vitta.com w i l. d, I forgot how to spell because I have ADHD you should take over from here.

Hillary 1:12:52

Sure, no problem to say. And the website is wild beta, you spell it wild, Asan, Wi l DVEDAY. Wild beta.com.

Stirling 1:13:03

Boom, and she is launching a course. So if you're listening to this in real time, it's happening now for the next six weeks. And if you're listening to this at some nebulous point in the future, she's probably running other courses. And you should go find out on wild Vila calm, and we'll also of course, feeling hanging out in the wild magic

blog.

And I have a website as well, that is focused on all my special interests, and which includes neuro diversity, and creativity. And all these things will be linked below. And we're gonna launch an Etsy shop that's going to have coloring books with all of Hillary's beautiful drawings, because adult coloring books are a thing. So let's see. And digital downloads of stickers and stuff that you can print on T shirts with all of these things like you. You had one earlier and I I mean, I'm gonna listen back because I edit these episodes. I'm gonna hear it again. But I needed I didn't say it out loud. I was like that goes on the T shirt, too. What was it? It was so good. It was so good that my monkey mind would just kept saying it over and over again while you were still talking. And I was like this thing, this thing, this thing, but now. realist and it'll return. Yes, it shall. I knew that. I told myself, I was like, you don't have to keep repeating this. It's fine. You're going to listen back, you're going to go, that's the thing. You're going to write it down, you're going to put it on an SVG file, people are going to be able to download it on the website or the Etsy shop or they can put it on their t shirts. They can look cool. That's what you guys want, right? We all want to look cool. Oh, yeah, of course, the wild magic merge. Although I have to say in that regard, like looking cool is awesome. But actually Everyone, let's remember or at least consider. It's not that you want to look cool, or I'll talk about myself. It's not that I want to look cool. Instead, I want to feel cool. And when I feel cool Then I'm like already sure that I look cool and it's a knock on effect. So if you're seeking the looking cool and the being perceived as cool, you're like approaching from the wrong angle and it's like those tire spikes when you're trying to go in to the parking lot on the wrong side and it's just gonna flatten your tires like you got to go in the other way. You got to focus on feeling cool, and then it's fine you can drive right over the spikes because you're coming from the other direction and you are going to look cool, I promise by wearing one of our shirts that you downloaded the file from our Etsy shop, which will likely be called Wild magic so at some future date that will exist go there. Yeah, okay.

Hillary 1:15:43

Well, thank you so much. I love you your magic your everything your I just Yes, all of it. Okay, okay, stopping Recording by. catch up with us on the blog

Stirling 1:16:06

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Stirling 0:11

Welcome to witchy wellness weekly. If you love learning and interweaving healthy self growth and making magic, this is the show for you. And when we come together This is where we share how to breathe magic into your daily practice with creative self care inspiration to empower your unique journey to easeful health through witchy wellness, so that you can remember that your health choice is always your own. We are here to empower your freewill to decide for yourself. I'm Sterling, your magical methods mentor, nature based medicine maker farm life purveyor and nerd for all things esoteric, you can find my alchemical experiments at WWW dot wild folk which muse.com We are joined by our co host. Hilary is a certified clinical Ayurvedic Practitioner with the eye of a fine artist specializing in customizing herbs, nutrition and habits that support your body's unique cyclical rhythms at WWW dot Wilde veda.com. To support this show, and we the creators or for behind the scenes content, early access, a member only experiences come join the [email protected] slash witchy wellness, our private community is a safe place to explore your inner magic, where you are the hero of your own story on a planet that is thriving. It's Prime Time to climb out of the broom closet, my friends, because our Earth needs your wild magic right now.

And I am so excited to be here with you having this conversation that we can share with basically anyone in the entire world that's ready to listen. And everyone is a little bit obsessed with releasing all the collective trauma that has been sustained and experienced over the past year, or generation or century or millennia. I mean, who's counting? I know that you wrote a blog post on the necessary steps and your recommendations when approaching how to clear out and prepare to set intention. And I would really love to hear you talk about it.

Hillary 3:18

Awesome. I would love to talk with you about it. Yeah, clearing out. I think there's such a big focus on food and nutrition like in mainstream, especially on social media, like cleansing and exercising. And it seems to be like that's where we just think that we need to cleanse but I think it's really layered. And I think we also need to cleanse our space and cleanse our mind and cleanse our emotions like it's like a bigger, deeper, broader topic than just food and exercise.

Stirling 3:56

So true. Yes, I agree. I noticed the knock on effect as well for myself. Personally, I noticed how much it helps me if I clear the clutter off my desk or I'm a I'm a Pilar I create Kyle's of you know, I lived in your house, I create a pile of strange things that I magnetize into weird little sculptures of life. And when I even just if I move the piles around when I consciously clear a space physically, I am way more able to approach a new topic or get my head around a thought form I personally had on a really intense journey with diet, and orthorexia, really, and being obsessed with eating.

Hillary 4:52

And they say that last part again because it cut out you said orthorexia and being obsessed with eating and obsessed with eating too healthy

Stirling 4:59

I'm really understanding that I actually damaged my organs by not being in balance. And I know that that's your specialty is the mind body balance and how important diet is to that. So it's interesting to hear you talk about how you think there's actually too much focus on diet when it comes to actually being able to fully cleanse. So I am super intrigued to hear your take on that.

Hillary 5:24

Yeah, I, I had the same issue too, with like being so obsessed with being so pure and so clean and so healthy. That it, it caused a ton of food allergies for me, and like a really reduced diet, which then, over time depleted, like you said, my organs and it messed up my hormones, and all of that. And so, definitely on the journey of recovery, from many years of almost being, like too obsessed with how I think it's an eating disorder,

Stirling 5:57

I really do. It's like, absolutely detrimental, psychologically, emotionally, and physically and so common in the circles that we've run in. And really, it's, it's an eating disorder that is okay to encourage. And that I think is really dangerous, especially if the social media stuff not actually great for everyone, and ketosis is your body responding to trauma and eating itself. And that might be effective.

Hillary 6:32

But that doesn't mean it's healthy. Right? Right. And I'm like, maybe we should just talk about this for a minute. Which is, this actually seems like a really, really common denominator and things that I see. And yeah, like you said, like when our body starts eating itself, basically, it, it feels good because you lose weight. And maybe you do have like, some clarity and things like that, because your body is literally eating.

Stirling 7:04

Right, and we call it clarity, retrospective, retrospectively speaking, that's mania. That's what being in a manic episode feels like. That's what like a hypoglycemia high, is, it's not really a clarity of thought. It's your body boosting your cortisol and adrenaline and going,

Hillary 7:26

Oh, s**t, do something. This isn't good. Yeah, exactly. And over time, you're just you just get used to being in a constant state of stress and trauma and like chaos. For what, like, a couple less pounds, maybe

Stirling 7:44

a couple less pounds, a couple more followers, a couple good Instagram posts, a couple smaller bikini sizes. I don't even know. For me, it's interesting because it It wasn't specifically about losing weight. So I didn't identify that it was a problem. Because for me, it was an obsession about not putting dirty things in my body, because I wanted to be healthy and clean. So I was making this really intense judgment about what was good to eat and what was bad to eat. And I was judging other people about that, too. But I thought because it wasn't about how am I going to look, it was about how am I going to be how healthy Am I going to be that I didn't understand how much I was damaging myself and I would make the choice to not eat if there wasn't a healthy option on a very regular basis that I could eat. That was healthy enough. And so I was basically choosing to starve myself, but because I wasn't doing that because I wanted to look thin. I didn't make the connection that that's like really unhealthy. Yeah, and actually like that, and a little bit crazy.

Hillary 9:06

Totally. And yeah, I 100% agree with you. And I think he is kind of this like way of disordered eating. Like you said you didn't see it because it was more of like a mental process less for your physical body. And I think it can really happen in ways of like mind, body and spirit. I know that for many years of studying IR VEDA, it affected me on a really deep like spirit level where I had so much guilt around like, I can't eat anything aside from a very yogic pure diet, because of the karma that I will take on because of that. But because of that I was highly undernourished. And then, like I didn't have any energy, and so I went for really dense Sleep dense high energy calories. I didn't I wasn't consciously doing that. But I ate so much not not in seed butters. So, cow, because so much. Yeah, because it's like, it's pure and it's a plant food and it's healthy. It's healthy, but actually not in the quantity like we're not meant to consume that mentioned that since. And I would easily put down half a jar of nut or seed butter in a day, like me to 100% every day, every day. And to smoothies, I could go through a half a day. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, it's crazy. And like, I was a, I was a raw food chef. And I was so obsessed with health for years. And I, I developed allergies to every food that I worked with, like, almost every night in seed, to where my body at one point, I was eating something with almonds in it. And suddenly my body like flushed with this really intense feeling. And I felt like I was so itchy that it was like my blood. Like I couldn't, I couldn't actually it's on the surface because it was internally. Like I was so itchy internally, that I I scratched my skin on this meridian on the digestive meridian. I scratched it until I was bleeding. And I was like, okay, something is happening here. And so I got a food allergy test. And I was allergic to like a laundry list of foods that I worked with and ate every single day. So yeah, long story short, I think there's a huge issue with, like, the shame that comes like the shame that kind of pushes veganism, bringing it back to like the spiritual aspect of like, caught like causing no harm with your food, but in causing no harm to like, animals or anything like that is causing deep harm to myself. And then it's like this psycho spiritual concept of like, well, do I choose to continue to harm myself so as to save other beings? Or do I nourish myself, and which case to take of eating animal products, or whatever it

Stirling 12:19

is chicken or the egg right there. That's guy old, I had a I had a similar experience. I haven't taken an allergy test that's really interesting that you actually have scientific results that show you know, under a shadow of a doubt that you should not be eating those things that constituted almost your entire diet. And so funny too, because to me, it was the nuts and seeds always my go to thing and cocoa crazy amounts of cacao. And that's ended up manifesting in basically liver and gallbladder damage. For me. I'm at the point where I cannot consume anything that has a high oxalic acid content without going into what's it called the Hicks Hicks smer reaction. The thing that happens when you're cleansing and your body basically goes haywire and you feel achy, like you have the flu, and you're going to die. Yeah, your skin's falling off. That happens to me. Now if I eat kale, which was another huge staple. If I eat anything that's not cooked. It's really, really intense. And it happened the first time I tried to go completely raw vegan, I got really sick, and I didn't make the connection. And every time that I've attempted to do that sort of adjustment to my diet ever since because I was basically surviving on kale salads, and green juices and smoothies and chia drinks, and Yep, four or five cow pods in my coffee every morning, and a jar of sunflower seed butter. And that was what I was eating. Because I thought it was healthy. And it's super trendy, and it's really easy to get in the leg. Yep. And I was sick every day, I thought I had a low lying infection. I thought I had something going on in my blood I was having what I realized now are the symptoms of liver failure. The whole list the whole list of what happens before an alcoholic is diagnosed with like cirrhosis of the liver. And I didn't know at the time that those were the signs. I thought that's what happens when you eat healthy, you just have these things happen like stool issues and smells and body responses that are basically your organs shutting down.

Hillary 14:38

And if you think about like the quality, like the thickness and the density of that food, like it's meant to be eaten in a very small amount. And so eating that much is going to it's really going to slow slow down the function of your liver because it's like is jammed up. It's having to deal with so much of that like thickness and that's another thing is like, because I ate the same way as you, I think we even like first connected on that, like, oh yeah. And I would live off smoothies and, and by the end of like this time, you know, I was studying higher beta I was seeing practitioners, every time I saw an Ayurvedic practitioner or an acupuncturist, you were like, you have no stomach acid, like you have no heat in your stomach to be able to digest these things, and you're dumping cold liquid in a stomach that is already like energetically like cold, it doesn't have the stomach acid to break it down. So you're just, it's like cold damp, on top of like this cold damp environment. And it's just putting out like an IV to your digestive fire. Like we have this stomach fire we had, it should be really like acidic, we should have this stomach acid that like breaks things down. But if it can't do that, then not only as not breaking down your food, but when pathogens come in, like viruses or sicknesses or anything like that. You're you're not killing it. And so it's moving through and then and then it just wreaks havoc on your whole digestive system. And then bacteria, the wrong bacteria gets into the wrong places that causes CBOE and like, all these different things. So it was a hot mess the whole time thinking I'm really healthy because I'm I'm having smoothies and raw kale and all the all the different things. So yeah, checking all the boxes. So what what do you do now that's different? Well, I, you know, I eat seasonally. So it's winter here in the Pacific Northwest, and it's very cold. So the way to counterbalance that is warm, and like anxious foods. So eating like soups and stews and things that are really enzymatic, like I had to I've had to really work to replenish my hydrochloric acid in my stomach. So like with lots of spices that have enzymes, I've taken hydrochloric acid to like get that boost lots of probiotics But yeah, I would say just chain like shifting my understanding around food and really focusing on warm cooked meals, like one pot simple to digest meals, no raw, like no cold, damp smoothies, things like that. And, and maybe in the summer, like I'll have that a little bit, a little bit of that. But even like my constitution and IRS data and yours to, like, our constitutions are not meant for that. That's more of like, like those foods are actually good for like Cappadocia, which we both are not that.

Stirling 17:55

None None at all. Not even a little bit. That is so interesting, too. I mean, I read is a super ancient practice that still practiced for a reason. Obviously, it has worked long enough to stay in practice. It's also really interesting to me because I once I realized what was going on, I had a problem. And I was attempting to address it. By doing the things that I thought were healthy, that were the things I would have recommended to someone having digestive problems or feeling sick or having any sort of infection. And the things that I all of my extensive research had told me and all of the weird dogmatic New Age programming had told me and it was totally by chance. Totally by intuitive. Random shramana googling?

Hillary 18:49

Wait. Well, it totally frozen pause. Will you go back to what you started saying after Shimano googling? I have

Stirling 19:04

been upon an interview with someone who I was interested in listening to for a totally different reason. I was not trying to find out anything about diet. I was just wanting to hear what this person had to say. And they mentioned that they had been hospitalized suddenly for a really bad case of kidney stones, and that they had had no idea they should have been totally healthy. This person had personal trainers and had been vegan for four years and was having spinach smoothies every morning with a handful of almonds and strawberry and oxalic acid content. Maybe that's what's going on and I started looking into it. And I was born with low bilirubin anyways, so I was born jaundice baby I was predisposed to an underdeveloped liver and like low bile production I had to they had to take me back and cook me more When I was four days old, I went back to the hospital and they put me in an incubator because I was premature. So my whole life, I have had that going on. And I had no idea I thought I was being so cautious and healthy, I had no idea that choices I was making were playing to that weakness that I inherently have. And so I started researching it a little bit more, I started making so much sense all these Phantom pains and symptoms that have been going on for years, all of these weird things in totally different parts of my body that I never would have guessed were related to gallbladder, liver, stuff, pancreas stuff was in any way related. I mean, I thought that I was sustaining muscular injury. And as soon as I switched my diet, like within a week or two of cutting these things out of my diet, my muscles didn't hurt anymore, my ligaments didn't hurt anymore. I realized these things I thought were like long term damaging injuries from being an acrobat had more to do with what was going on in my liver and my gallbladder than anything else. And it was really enlightening and really interesting. And I cut everything out of my diet, except for basically oatmeal with a lot of butter in it, because I realized I needed Super duper high calcium, because if you have too much, oxalic acid crystallizing in these organs that are supposed to be able to process everything that you're taking into your body, it'll bind to the calcium in your body, it'll like start leaching it out, if you don't have high enough levels of calcium coming in, in your diet for it to bond to. And, I mean, I imagine that's why women end up with a lot of osteoporosis during menopause and things like that. And it was amazing, because I felt the difference when I was consciously no more raw. No more chocolate no more cacau in my coffee, which I was living on, I lived on chocolate, and kale. Like, that's it and not butter. Like, that's what I ate. And, and all of a sudden, my joints didn't hurt. And I, I mean, I it might be psychosomatic, but I really feel like I could feel all the places in my body that had been leached of calcium filling back up with calcium. And it blew my mind. It's also really interesting, because I've been learning a lot about my genealogy. And I am basically 100% Celtic, some Native American. But even that was that line was intermixed with Celtic, and they basically ate warm cooked animal products and outs. Like that's it. So I've basically just been eating oatmeal with a lot of butter in it for many months. And my mom's got some stuff going on similarly, and we're together right now. So so she and I've been able to do it together, which has been like super supportive, and she's been really helpful. And we just, you know, make jokes about it. But like, we eat a lot of oatmeal. I got goats, so that I can like do my own goat milk thing, yogurt, I went really hard into yogurt, because where I live, there's a local dairy the cows that are gonna be my yogurt or my neighbors. Yes, I'm eating a lot of really high fat, good local yogurt and oats, because that's what my ancestors ate, and it worked for them. And it's really interesting, I would love to have this kind of conversation with people who have a more diverse ancestry to find out if they've had that experience to

Hillary 23:38

absolutely, and I am so with you, I think, you know, looking into, like your blood type and your blood type diet, your ancestry, where you're living right now, like what the climate is, and what's local to your current environment. And like what what your actual ancestors ate not like, not like one generation ago, but like, long term because I agree like I'm, I'm half German, half Cuban, which both animal products I'm also blood type O blood. And that's the type of blood that is not supposed to be vegan at all. We don't come from close to the equator, you know, if you're in like a tropical environment and you are close to the equator and it's warm, it makes sense to eat a lot of fruit and smoothies and things that are colder like it makes a lot of sense. So really figuring that out. And you know, that is one thing too with studying I or VEDA I was following this like iron Vedic diet but not applying it to like current day, culture, reality and like how much you know how different it is. I'm not a sage on a mountain, meditating all day, getting downloads of information. I'm very much like a householder, I have to work, I have to pay rent, I have to do things I have to be in the world. And so trying to live off this pure sattvic, yogic eye or Vedic diet of like kitri and, like steamed vegetables all day, which is awesome. steamed vegetables are great, but like subsisting off it completely. It really, really depleted me and then thinking about it, like, I'm not from India, like, I don't have an ounce of India in me, except for my love of, of the information and the culture there. Like, it's not in my blood. And so to be to be eating this way, and living a certain way. You know, it's more about taking the concepts of, of this practice and applying it to life now, but, but like, mung beans and rice and like Brahmi are not local to me. I love broccoli. I love broccoli.

Stirling 26:06

That's one of those things where I think I went into ketosis and had a super manic episode on way too much. Brahmi. Like, 19 hours straight from Colorado to California was like, it's fine. I'll just put my coffee and I'll just keep driving. I'm rolling. Dude. I was like,

rolling, which is fun, and it feels great and horribly dangerous. Driving next to the semi trucks rapping and drumming on my steering wheel. I don't drink my coffee anymore.

Hillary 26:36

That's probably really smart. Yeah, that's Brahmi. Maybe in some like milky, toasty tea or something better. We just kind of spun out on some topics were let's, let's bring it back. Where? Where are we going?

Stirling 26:52

What would be your guidance for someone who's totally inundated with social media and the subculture around them that they need to be dogmatic about how they're eating? But are possibly expressing symptoms that tell them otherwise? Like, how do we tune into our body and start figuring that out? Yeah.

Hillary 27:17

Great question. So I think it's, it takes a bit of dropping back. And being less hyper vigilant on what things appear to be from your eye, and really starting to drop back into your body and your feeling sense. And your intuition of like that first, that first voice before the like scientific data and all that stuff drops in and like, what is your body actually craving? What like, if you really feel into it, like, do you feel that you need nourishment? Do you feel that you need cleansing like, but is it the programming, so it's a lot to sort through, but I think the first step is really dropping back from what looks sparkly, and the way to do it from outside and trying to get back inside. And really trying to deepen your connection to yourself and what your body needs. super important. And I think that goes with exercise too, of like, we're in this culture where we exercise, like women's bodies are very different than men's bodies, too. And so a lot of this research is done with men, and like the keto or paleo or whatever. But we're cyclical beings. We cycle through a whole month, which is a whole nother podcast episode. But just briefly, like realizing that we need different things during different periods of the month, and like after bleeding up until ovulation, like we have more energy, we can eat lighter, we have more energy to work out hard. after ovulation. We we actually need far more nourishment, we need more rest, we need more gentle exercise, things like that. And so really tuning into the cycles of your body, what your body needs, stop pushing yourself so hard. And like start kind of thinking in a more holistic way, like you said about your ancestors, your blood type, the season that you're in, what's local to you right now, like you're eating the local dairy understanding where your food is coming from, how to get food that is of the earth, less processed, less trending. Are you being marketed to take a step back from that, like,

Stirling 29:50

that's a really good self check question. We're getting to is is this person trying to sell you a T Yeah,

Hillary 30:00

that's really totally. And like all these super fancy products, and I think, you know, they have their place. And it's it's fun to get exciting things and fancy things. But ultimately,

Unknown Speaker 30:13

things should be more simple, I think, simple, simple of the earth. Simple

Unknown Speaker 30:20

sample.

Stirling 30:23

I think this is true of everyone. It's especially true for autistic people with ADHD, like me a certain amount of attention that I can spend on making a certain amount of decisions.

Hillary 30:34

Can you pause for a sec and go back to like a certain amount of decision making?

Stirling 30:39

What I'm gonna do is grab this little Gremlin can your Gremlin? Come on? Okay, yes. So I am learning about myself that, and I think this is true of all humans, but especially humans in our day and age, and especially humans that are neurodivergent, I have a certain amount of attention and energy for decision making. And it's the same energy that I use to decide what's going in my smoothie that I use to decide what's going in my artwork that I use to decide what's happening in my daily life. So when I don't have to go through 10 menu items, and think about where they came from, and ask if they were sourced locally and consider what pesticides were probably used. And think about who's in the kitchen cooking it when I just know that I will be having oatmeal to hear with hot water and a scoop of butter. And that's the same every morning. Wow, I have so much more creative capacity to make decisions about other things that matter more and my brain is working right because I got calories that I can actually digest and nutrients that are actually being used the way they're supposed to be used in my body.

Hillary 32:00

Yes, exactly. Instead of just subsisting off of like a little green powder and being a little fairy, what Chrono prana like huffing, prana be having manic episodes all the time. Yeah.

Stirling 32:16

Oh my gosh, that's the other thing when you mentioned the exercise. That's something that's been super real for me because I am still after a year or more of deciding to be more sedentary and not trying to recapture the fitness that I had as an early 20 something professional Acrobat. Yeah. My I have like, decades of whiplash stored in my body from such intense exercise regimens. And crazy like hundreds of crunches and handstands and dancing for 10 hours straight. 1000 different times. Yeah, like my whole body is still working those kinks out. And if like literally today, this morning, I had a vertebrae like slip of a disc that goes out sometimes because of all the wax s**t that I've done to my body. And it went out this morning, and it hasn't gone out in so long. Because I'm not making it go out. But he did s**t. Like, deciding there was a free five day exercise program with like a little bit of cardio and a little bit of yoga that was gonna start today. I had that thought like, Oh, I My neck hurts. I probably shouldn't do that. And I realized, Oh, your neck probably hurts. Because you shouldn't do that. Your body's like, Girl, we chillin you are capable of doing the tasks you need to do on a day to day basis. And yeah, okay, your ads aren't cut like they used to be. But why do your ads need to be cut like they used to be? You're not doing aerial silks. You don't need that core strength. Chill out. You're not 22 anymore.

Hillary 34:15

Yeah, exactly. And we don't have to keep pushing our bodies like we're like we're taught to hate our bodies so that we can perpetually by and push and do all the different things that are again, marketed to us. So that you know, the more that we hate our bodies and have to like, achieve a thing. The more we're like, looped into this consumerism, capitalistic, capitalistic thing, energy and the wheel just keeps turning. And so yes, exactly by removing yourself by having enough like, self respect and self love to actually listen to the needs of Have your body, whether that's needing more nutrition, like more nourishing food, whether that's needing less exercise actually like that is that's kind of the definition of self love, and self care, like beyond salt scrubs and taking baths. Like, that's actual self care.

Stirling 35:21

Yeah, it's so real. And it's really important to develop the ability to know the difference between the voice that insists you need the organic kale. And the voice that says, You need to do 45 minutes of yoga this morning. And it has to be focused on your glutes on the voice that says, lay in bed and eat Haagen dazs and watch Netflix. And the voice that says, maybe I'll just have oatmeal this morning and read up on a wall. Like

there's a lot of there's a lot of people living up here. Yeah, who's to everyone sit down, look totally out.

Hillary 36:06

And it's hard. I get it. I struggled for a long time, like, questioning what I don't know, I don't know if this is my intuition, or like, whatever. It's usually like the first voice, your intuition. It's usually like, the kind of like, knowing first thing before your logical mind kicks in and starts telling you, but I should. But I should do this because it's healthy to do this, or I should do this because it's healthy to stay here or whatever. The first voice, the the kind of known voice, but it's Yeah, it's true. You got to get to know the voices.

Stirling 36:47

I was just talking to my mom this morning. And she doesn't she hasn't read Game of Thrones. She hasn't watched it. But I was explaining to her that there's that term among the horse Lords like it is known. It is known. And it's just like a part of the culture like, Well, you know, there's just things that are the way they are, it is known. Because on a deeper level, we do we know. Right? And having confidence. Well, I guess faith comes first having faith that, you know, having faith that you know, and that you know better than anyone else. And that you are actually the person that you need to be listening to. Yes. And even if that means not letting anyone else know why you're eating, what you're eating, or what you're eating, like really this obsession with taking pictures of what you're eating and posting it on the internet for other people to really react to like that in and of itself seems like some strange psychologic psychological eating disorder. Why? Why does it matter? what other people think about the ingredients that you're about to put in your body? Are you tasting like this? Or does what it looks like? Like you don't eat with your eyeballs? Girl? With your eyeballs?

Hillary 38:02

Yeah, you with your whole being like, What do you need? And that's I think that's where we just need to start heading as a culture is like, we're the experts of ourselves. We know I think a T shirt. I buy it with a sharpie on your own t shirt. I'm not gonna I'm not being marketed to.

Really though, like we really are the experts of ourselves and the moment that we like hand, the power back to ourselves. Wow, that is where things start happening.

Stirling 38:48

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my mom, who obviously was in charge of feeding me as a child, as a different blood tight, and both my brother and I, she does not need to eat animal products, she does not process them in the same way. She actually has a totally different set of dietary needs for a lot of reasons, including that we're different blood types. But I was very lucky in that she started researching the blood type diet very early on. So when we were children, she would cook us what our shared blood type needed, even though she never ate it. It tastes disgusting to her, she had to learn how to cook it to do it for us, because she understood that we had different needs that her. And I don't think that that's common. And I'm sure a lot of the people listening grew up in a household where that wasn't, there wasn't even that level of awareness. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just as an adult, it is now each of our responsibility to tune into that first voice, figure out what do I need for my nourishment? Because I am the expert of myself and get beyond what I was told was good for me, what I've always been fed, what I'm used to what I was told I should never ever eat, you know, all of these strange psychological and emotional cues and information that we've taken in children in terms of what we consume. Because the reality is, it's very possible that the people closest to you who were in charge of your nutrition, did not actually have the same needs as you. So even with the best intentions, they may not have been, they were likely not able to give you what your body actually needed. So it's a whole new learning process.

Hillary 41:55

Yes. Oh my gosh, yes. And, and I think everything you're talking about, it goes with like mastering yourself fully, because it doesn't just apply to food. Like, I have an example of my hair. Like my dad, his hat is full Cuban, he has like a black Afro, my mom is almost full German, she has ordered straight blonde hair, I got a very strange, I'm in the middle of both of them. I have kind of straighter hair on the bottom, I have kind of closer to an afro on top, and my hair is red. So I but but I know it seems like a random example. But it goes to like your mom had to learn how to feed you differently. My mom when I was little with style my hair the way she styled her hair. And it never worked for me. And I would have bad hair days when I was four years old and locked up in the bathroom. Because I was like, This Is it right? This feels wrong. I knew when I was four years old, I knew that what that something wasn't right for me. Like it was it wasn't working for me the way my mom did her hair, just like the way your mom ate wasn't right for you. The way my mom did my hair, it wasn't right for me. Because we had we have different genetics, even though I'm made partially of her. I'm also made from someone else. So. So it's really interesting. So really, this is just like coming back to becoming the master of yourself. Understanding the functioning of your body, the way things work, what doesn't work, getting to know what doesn't work for you. And then making choices, even if it looks different from the people around you. Even if it is very different from the people around you. Having the competence in yourself to make choices that are actually right for

Stirling 43:49

you. Yeah, that is Oh, real. And it's interesting, because you were four year old and you were listening to that first real true voice in yourself. That was the master of you that said not this is not it. This is not it for me. Mom, I love you. I know you're doing your best but and wrong. We need change here. We need it now cuz you have such great hair too. It's amazing. And it is so very It is so very you. But I think how do I figure this out? Because it's a process? Obviously, it's a process to figure out well, what is that person and what they wanted for me and where does that end? And where do I start? And how do I figure out number one what I need but number two what I like but number three, like where do I even start? And I think probably the number one simplest, most universal place for every single one of us to start about any topic that we're trying to come back to our Tell us about his journaling. Yes. 100%. It's like how you have a conversation with yourself, and no one else ever has to be involved. And it's the same as you know, eventually you can have those conversations in your head. But when you write it down, you can go back and out of your head in a new place. Keep going, Oh, that was it. I don't hear what you have to say now.

Hillary 45:28

Yeah, I agree. There's something very magical that happens when you journal. And it's, it's in so many different, like, lineages, like I have a book that's like writing through your depression, I have a book that's like, reclaiming your unlived life. The artists way, there's like different, different things about different like aspects of life. But they all have one thing in common, which is saying, journal, and journal every day. And not just like, be like your perfect journaling self. But like, set a timer, like 10 minutes, and just free write. And in the artists way, I think it's called the brain dump. And you just, you dump, like, all the, all the access, all the things, you just free, right? Thought punctuation, like, you don't have to be perfect, you just write. And that comes back to the thing we're talking about in the very beginning of clearing out like cleansing your mental emotional space, so that you can actually be clear to hear that voice, to start to get to know yourself on a deeper level. And something happens, the more that you write and you clear out, the more clear you become. And then the more your writing starts to reflect that truer part of you, that is not just regurgitating everything you see on social media, or all the programming or all the emotional trauma or whatever. But your true or voice starts to develop and arrive. And then you can start seeing like, Oh, these are the things that I really want for my life. This is what I want to like, call and this is what I need to get rid of like. So I think yeah, I think free writing and then kind of writing about what you desire. Number one important step in reclaiming the fact that you know,

Stirling 47:32

yes, sing it from the rooftops, the hills are alive, having to be your perfect journaling self. And that is so real for me, because I love journaling. And I lean really heavily on it. And sometimes there are phases in my life where I have five journals on the Go at once, and I'm journaling for hours every day. And sometimes I'm not journaling at all. But universally across my whole life, I have always had the desire to be keeping a journal. And even as a child, I still have many of these things because I'm a little bit of a hoarder. Even as a child, I would get the most perfect diary. And I would start writing in this most perfect diary. And I would edit myself, I would self critique and I would not allow what I really needed to be writing to come out because I didn't want to mess up the diary. Yeah. And that's still super real for me that critic voice is here. I mean, it's easier to push it out of the way. But it's amazing because it was there over there for me as a seven year old.

Hillary 48:37

Yes, totally. I, I have a very similar experience when I was like, I think I was like 13 or something. And that's like the first time I maybe got a journal, maybe even 14. And like, I think I had them when I was little but like actual really starting to journal. And I remember having a conversation with my mom and her saying that she would never keep a journal, because she doesn't want she wouldn't want people to like find it or read it. And, and I remember up until like my 20s I was mortified of people finding out what was in my brain thinking that I was like broken or something was like absolutely wrong with me or like my thoughts were crazy, or whatever. And the more like you can break through that programming and and that's that's like, like long term kind of trauma of like being afraid to speak being afraid of what's in your own brain being afraid that you'll be rejected because the thoughts in your brain are so crazy, like, no, we're all human. We all have really similar thoughts. Get them the f**k out of your brain. And if you need to burn the journal, do it. I've burned plenty of journal But there is something about getting out of your brain, like get get it out and onto paper and you will see you're not that crazy. Or maybe you are, but who cares?

Stirling 50:11

You're probably going to be less crazy. If you get it out of your head. Like, on paper, it's gonna do likely less damage than bouncing around inside of your psyche. Right? And there is nothing super about getting it out.

Hillary 50:27

Totally. And I think that's like the steps on healing, healing, the perfectionism that we've been programmed with healing the fact that we need to be like, these perfect things or only write poetic script, or like, whatever the f**k is going. Sorry, I'm saying f**k. I don't care. Okay. Radio, we can say whatever the f**k we want. Yeah, totally. And yes, I am with you. Like, I wanted to be. You know, I wanted to be rooming with everything that I wrote just like poetic downloads only. I'm like, actually, no, I just need to freak out on this page right now and right. I just need to freak out on this page right now. Put that on your T shirt.

Stirling 51:23

Or real I remember how liberating it was for me to find the beatniks like jack Kerouac. Or like Gonzo journalism, like contrast Thompson and realize like, Oh, these f*****s are crazy. And they're also really successful writers. People love reading they're crazy as manic he thought maybe I could write crazy and I have manic thoughts.

Hillary 51:47

totally totally. And that's part of this whole thing too is like the more that you allow yourself to be yourself. That's like the more people that are going to love you anyway because you just give permission to people to be there crazy ourselves when you are unapologetically your crazy

Stirling 52:07

the more the right people are going to love you anyway, the more the people that actually love you are.

Hillary 52:13

Right, that's like actually true. True Love and adoration instead of like, being liked by this like weird perfectionistic false self false. Yeah. Yeah, cuz

Stirling 52:27

the people that don't love you for being you probably just need to like go sit down and eat some oatmeal and journal a little bit.

Hillary 52:36

Here, eat this, this oatmeal with butter and come back to me in a couple months when you're nourished. Yeah, don't worry. It's local butter. sprouted oats. Okay, God. Yes. So I think that's the that's the key is like the beginning of cleansing. It's not only starting with food, it's really starting with cleaning out your brain. letting yourself come to the surface, listening to yourself, cleansing the like, chaotic societal pressures, by simplifying, stepping back from all the social media, going on long walks with you and your mind, and no Blinky, flasher electronic devices with you. Just letting yourself really come to the surface.

Stirling 53:36

Wow. Yeah, yeah, a really interesting exercise that I love to do. Because it's kind of psychedelic and trippy, but also because it's really grounding. And I think it was true for females and the feminine energy even before social media, but social media has exacerbated it and spread it to everyone is that when I am in a situation? And I think something about how it's being perceived? Like, if I walk into a room, am I in the room, in my body, walking in an experiencing it? Or am I seeing myself walk into the room from outside of myself? And assuming the perception of someone else perceiving me? Am I the observer, or am I considering myself to be observed, because society kind of raises us to not be the genuine observer and be more perturbed and concerned by how we're being observed. And that is fundamentally disassociative and really not good for you psychologically or emotionally. So I do it the other direction too, because I am sort of obsessed with polarities. Yep. So when I look at a picture, like if I am on social media, and I see a beautiful picture of a girl from behind, and she has her arm behind her, and she's leading the person off camera into the blue ass water, I think, what does it look like for the dude back on the beach that is watching this happen? What is that full picture? Like what's going on behind the camera, and that I love doing that it trips me out. But also, that was the most interesting thing about being in Hollywood and being in the entertainment industry was like, 99.5% of what's going on, you don't see on camera. And that's so important to remember in this strange parallel universe that we live in where everyone thinks everything is on camera. Well, actually, they're the ones on camera all the time. Okay, guy, what's actually going on? Are you walking into the room? Or are you watching yourself walk into the room?

Hillary 56:10

Huge. Yeah, I think that I know, it's like an kind of like, esoteric, but it's not. It's so real. And I think I lived probably the first 25 years of my life doing that. And then next, like six years of my life, trying not to do that, but still battling it. Because, yeah, I 100% agree, walking into a room, perceiving myself, as other people are perceiving me, which, who f*****g knows in the first place, but also like, being in your body versus being 30 feet away, looking at yourself walking, like, what? so bizarre, bizarre, insane. f*****g insane. We're insane. And we're very dissociated. And it's really weird.

Stirling 57:03

Really, really weird. It's really weird. And it's so pervasive that we're at the point where it's being pontificated upon in media, in really blatant that basically the premise of every single episode of Black Mirror, it's all about who's the observer and the observed. And it's interesting, because it's really easy to paint this parallel to social media and technology and the way we live now in a global society. But these are also the fundamental questions of all existentialism and all lineages of thought of all time and every Zen Cohen or Confucian or Buddhist, or any sort of little riddle of spirituality that you read from any point in time. It's all the same thing. Are you?

The finger pointing at the moon? Are you the eyes looking at the finger pointing up and down? Are you? Is the finger pointing at the moon the moon? No, those are two different things that are pointing at the moon will never be the moon.

Hillary 58:14

Yes. Oh, man. That makes me want to that makes me want to speak to something. There is this metaphor that my teacher of IRB, they used to give about these concepts of sattvic rajasic and tamasic. Stop making meaning that it's like its purity, its clarity, its consciousness. rajasic is like movement, turbulence, like a little bit more chaos. And then Temasek is like inertia, darkness like stagnancy, like yeah, just like the opposite of consciousness. And so there's this metaphor about the man of someone sitting at the lake, like the edge of a lake, and it's nighttime and the moon is reflecting in the water. And somebody that has like a purity of consciousness and a clear mind will see the moon reflected as like a perfect reflection and this is like when the lake the metaphor is like when the lake is perfectly still. And you see the perfect reflection, which in that is like the perfect reflection of God are the perfect reflection of like the source of all things, your your Clear Channel for this, but in like a rigid caustic state, which is like action, movement, chaos, like momentum, you see the reflection of the moon, but but the water is choppy, so you see many, many reflections and it's like, fragmented. You still see it, you see what's going on, but it's chaotic, and there's many different ones, so you're not seeing perfectly clearly. And in the tomasik state, the mud has been turned up from the bottom of the lake so much, because there's so much chaos that you don't see the reflection at all. It's, it's, you're not, you're not cleared, you don't see it. And so I think the more that we can get to this clarity of being this, like purity of consciousness, by listening to ourselves, instead of all the reflections of all the ways that it can be, or just like so muddy that we can't see it at all, the more we step back, clear out, like, purify, but not in a way that we were trying to do for so long, but purify kind of like the noise of consumerism, and society and culture, or whatever the f**k is going on here. Stepping back from that, removing yourself and and becoming like more of a pure vessel for clear thinking that the more that we can become ourselves, the more that we can hear and see what is right for us. And the more that we can live a life that is actually meaning full to ourselves, instead of meaningful by society's standards have the perfect picture on Instagram and the perfect plate of food and eating the perfect diet that looks perfect from the observed place, but not the place of actuality. If that makes sense.

Stirling 1:01:36

Ah, finger snaps, yes. Let it be known that I did have a very well defined six pack while I was forcing my liver into organ failure. Totally. A while going on jogs every day like, Hey, y'all drinking bottled water? Okay. It's really interesting, too, because, like your example of the tomasik, and rajasic, and all three of those varying abilities to see the reflection clearly you are not see the reflection of at all, the moon is still there. The moon is exactly the moon the whole time, only the perception is changing. But really, only the ability to perceive is changing.

Hillary 1:02:21

Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And that's like, that's the necessary component. clearing out and getting getting still enough to see. It's just a really good point. Like you said, you had abs and you looked really like a certain way that's like, the hot the hot form of you. Right now. That's like, what's trending is hot. And I agree, like, I would say, my body fit the social norms, like of late, when I was the most depleted the most in a trauma response in a horribly abusive relationship like way over over exercise overworked, over emotionally taxed, like on all levels. But from the outside. I looked hot, like I had halves, and a booty. And like, yeah, I mean, I still have all those things. It's just

Unknown Speaker 1:03:26

go anywhere. Go anywhere. Yeah, everyone actually had jobs. Yeah. And magic. Not maybe not like, as defined or as whatever they

Hillary 1:03:45

were. But it doesn't matter. Like, I wasn't happy. I was horribly depressed, like, horribly depressed. Social standards. Yeah,

Stirling 1:03:59

that's so interesting to consider, because it makes me think of various phases that I've gone through in terms of my health and well being overall. And pet snapshots, the pictures of those moments, and what people that I'm close with at other points in time would say about the version of me that they see in that picture, and I'm thinking of one picture in particular, and I'm thinking of when I was in college, and I'm thinking of it was the first Well, okay, let's be honest. I've had a few peaks of alcoholism in my life. And college was not the first one, but it was a large peak of alcohol and alcoholism because it was way more than alcohol use. And I had great tits, like I had such good boobs. And I looked so curvy and so cute, because I was so bloated because I was so drunk all the time. Yeah, and I look Really good in those pictures, I have tickets and I'm basically killing myself drinking way too much like clinically depressed, but you would never know from the victors. Good. cleavage never took like that. Yeah, I still have boobs, and I love them very much, but they are not the alcoholic boobs.

Hillary 1:05:23

Yeah, totally. And, and also, like, when we're young, we're so much more resilient in the way of like, we're less affected. It's okay, if we miss sleep, or like, if we're drinking too much. I mean, it's not okay. But we're, we're less outwardly affected by it. Because we're young. And we have, we have this kind of like innate strength. But the longer that we do that, the longer that we live those ways out of balance, the more that we deplete our bodies and, and then we think like, we're just in these old bodies, or whatever. But really, it's because we fucked them up for so many years, dieting and drinking and doing all the things that really not helping us get to ourselves.

Stirling 1:06:06

100%. And there's something really interesting that I've been pondering about, specifically, the things that we take into our bodies, whatever they may be food, drugs, liquids, what I'm talking about, like physics, yeah. And we just went there. This thing, it's, it's very challenging to reform the thought, because from a very young age, we see that we consume, and then we excrete, so we take something in and something comes out. But the thing that we take in, it's not the thing that comes out. And there are components of everything that we take into our bodies, that is still in our bodies, it might have been transmuted, some of it might have been processed as waste. But the vast majority of it is what is actually our bodies, it is what is actually making up ourselves. And a lot of it actually just like sits in our bodies in little pockets that are dark little corners that we never necessarily see, especially that we consider supplements or drugs that are fun to take, or whatever other reason that you're taking really weird research chemicals, maybe it's in your sniffle snacks that you were snorting on Saturday night, whatever it is, you're taking that into your body, and it is not coming out what you took in? Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about that. Because I've been processing the fact that I have organs that are not processing things, and that these particular organs have a tendency to allow the buildup of chemicals over time to recrystallize and solidify in the organ tissue. And this is actually a thing that happens in the livers of mammals that have livers is that I might only take a very, very small trace amount of something into my body Every time I take it in. But it all goes to the same place. And it magnetizes and it all gloms together, and it becomes a big piece of that thing. And now it's in me, and it's not just gonna flush out.

Hillary 1:08:19

Yep, exactly. Yes, we all have different places to in our bodies that are more compromised than other people like we we have, there's like affinities in our, in our different bodies, like people have different places where as somebody might be affected all the time, in their lungs, for example, they might have asthma or like chronic, like infections in their lungs, whereas like you have a liver thing, I also have a liver thing, probably because we ate the same amount of s**t. And also because that is compromised in my family line. So I was born into this world with places in my body that have stronger affinity to go out of balance. And we all have those different places, whether it's in our joints, in our blood in whatever in a different system in our body. And another thing in iron beta, which this kind of goes to like taking in the substances that you were talking about, and they're piling up. There's the disease process, I guess it's called the disease process. planetory Yeah. And what happens is something accumulates. So you, you have an accumulation of something that accumulates, that that location of accumulation in your body gets aggravated, but then if you remedy it, it will become alleviated. So it accumulates, it aggravates and then it should alleviate with the right. Right choices. But because we're So far from these right choices for us personally, what happens is something accumulates. For we'll just do an example of like, way too much nut butter and raw food and all the things, our liver becomes aggravated. If we change our diet here and change what we're doing and process our anger and all the different things because anger is of the liver. It will, it will alleviate, but usually that's not the case. So instead, it accumulates it aggravates and then it overflows into an organ system. So it's like accumulating in our lives, then it's accumulating in our blood after our digestive system can't process it, then it kicks it out into the liver. And so then it's overflown into the liver. Now it's out of the digestive system, it's out of the it's out of the lymph and the blood into an organ. This is the disease pathway. Then, after that, after it aggravates accumulates, and becomes overflown. Then, it relocates so it can go into other places if it continues. And then it manifests as a named Western disease. So like cirrhosis of the liver or a fatty liver or whatever.

Stirling 1:11:22

But the thing is, and oftentimes, that's a long process before it gets there,

Hillary 1:11:27

it's a long process. And that's the thing is like, it always starts with a digestive system, what we're consuming it, our digestive system deals with that first. And then it goes through our different tissue layers, length, blood, muscle, fat, bone, and then like our reproductive systems, and then our nervous system. And it goes through these layers. Those are the layers in order of what things go through. And so we're getting signs and symptoms and things all the time that we are in aggravation or overflow. And we can work the weight the same way that we work ourselves into fucked up situations, we can reverse them by prop by by making different choices. Every day, we just make simple shifts can reverse these processes. But by the time it gets to the Western medical diagnosis, it's it's late in the game, but it's not often it's not too late. But often it's told that it's too late and that you just need this medication. But if you make different choices, you can reverse yourself out of out of these situations, like we're doing right now with our diet, you know, and with drinking enough water and with getting rest and not pushing yourself by listening to your body coming back to listening to your body. Yes.

Stirling 1:12:52

So real. It's so interesting, too, because I mean, I know I mentioned this before, but I genuinely feel like I've been sitting still for a year I've been sober for a year, I've been paying really close attention and shifting my diet for a long time, but probably like nine months on this tip that we're talking about. And I still have not been sitting still long enough that all the repercussions of all the time I wasn't sitting still are like still slamming into me. Like it's like like a train you know, or like playing the slinky down the stairs. It's like I the engine have been at station for a while. But man those train cars are still rolling in.

Hillary 1:13:46

got a ways to go. Yeah, it's the ripple effect. It's like what we do causes an effect. The more we do something, it causes a bigger effect. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's,

Stirling 1:14:00

that's a really valuable practice for the journaling, too. I think even just to have one specific self check task is just writing down each thing I put into my body without judgment. It's a it's a tracking, you know, it's a record. It's not about questioning or lying or being concerned about the person that might see it that might judge a thing. But just actually being able to look back over a day or a week or a month, and go oh, okay, so that's what I put in my body and that's how much of it I did and maybe that has something to do with why he felt that way the next day. And being able to do that with anything being able to do that with amount of sleep amount of water, what kind of media I'm consuming how I'm spending my time because it's really interesting to consider goal setting some systems and like how much time you need to allot for each task, because how can I even pretend To know that I need 45 minutes to do this particular thing, if I've never actually timed how long it takes me to do the thing know, like, How am I supposed to know that this is the healthiest diet for me or that I feel this way after I eat this thing, if I don't even know how I felt after I ate buffet, because I didn't write it down and I ate five other things.

Hillary 1:15:24

Totally. Yes, this is why we need to simplify.

Stirling 1:15:30

Yep, simplify and journal. Yeah. Well, that's like the conclusion to this whole long. We're like so good at this. We're really gonna mess and journal. Everybody, right? No f*****g journal and shut up. Exactly. Can you talk in here yourself? catch up with us on the blog at wild folk which muse.com to stay up to date with our latest book release and receive exclusive discount codes. Be sure to sign up for the email list, subscribe and join the tribe. This episode is brought to you by the witchy wellness weekly subscription. If you're ready for recipes, rituals, resources and original artwork to uplevel your craft and self care, sign up to receive the weekly witchy wellness [email protected] slash witchy wellness weekly that's bi T dot L y slash witchy. wellness weekly. For everybody listening we love you thank you for being here and all these things will be linked below.

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In this episode we discuss Stirlig’s particular flavor of Madness from the Ayuervedic perspective of her Dosha balance:

The Fire that burns through the B******t might hurt, but it sure is transformative!

The Ether holds the space for Space itself and allows for the vast overview and connecting the dots of cosmic awareness.

The Wind is the perpetual motion, moving from one thing to the next with a swiftness!

And there is always something left to burn…

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Can I be too healthy?

Why does Ketosis make me feel sick?

Welcome to the Wild Folk Podcast.

In this first segment we are sharing our personal experiences with the obsession of eating a “healthy”, “clean”, and “spiritual” diets, and how the self inflicted danger of disordered eating leads to hormone imbalance, food allergies, and internal organ damage.

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We talk about the crucial SINGLE STEP you can take to help your body detox:

Do you ever wonder what is the point of all of this…. Why do we cleanse?

What not to eat when detoxing?

How to deal with a coffee addiction and detox from caffeine…?

Are you curious about how to eat healthy and real steps you can take to get started?

How to cleanse your home?

And once you’re ready to start, how do you know what type of cleanse you need?

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