In this conversation, Allen and Pablo discuss the concept of The Real versus The Artificial. Allen shares his personal journey of transformation and how he came to write his book, 'Risk the Real.'

They explore these important questions: What is Real? What is the origin of Reality? What is Artificial? What are the consequences of choosing one versus the other? How do we Risk the Real?

Allen Arnold discusses the importance of risking towards the real and choosing God as our true North. He emphasizes that risk is normal and necessary in life and that we should risk boldly with God.

Allen also highlights the need to recognize and let go of counterfeit sources of life, including technology. He shares his personal journey of healing and restoration in Jesus and encourages listeners to be all in for God.

The conversation explores the power of living a life fully dependent on God and embracing the real over the artificial.

In the second part of their conversation, Jay Heck and Pablo discuss the journey of raising sons to become real men.

They emphasize the importance of becoming true sons of God ourselves first before we can raise our own sons.

They explore journey of exposing our sons to healthy and strong masculine figures and how to guide them through stages of the masculine journey, starting with the beloved son stage and progressing through the adventurer, warrior, lover poet, king, sage—all in preparation for reigning with Jesus, as Paradise kings.

In the conversation, they emphasize the importance of fathering and creating a safe environment for sons to grow and explore their potential, the need for fathers to take their own journey, seeking healing and restoration, as we can not take our sons where we have not been ourselves.

In this conversation, Jay Heck shares his journey of discovering the possibility of walking with God on a daily basis in union with him as his true son. Jay discusses his upbringing in a heartless form of religion and the revelation of sonship as his rescue.

He emphasizes how most men operate in their daily lives like an orphan, and the solution of living as a beloved son. Jay also explores how much people and things are defined by the names we give them, amd how addressing God as 'Pa, revolutionized his relationship with him.

Jay also explores the role of casual adventure in discovering and embracing sonship. He concludes by discussing the journey of trusting God and receiving His love. The conversation explores the concept of joy and contentment in the context of a relationship with God.

It emphasizes that joy is not dependent on external circumstances but is available through a deep connection with the loving Father. The conversation delves into the availability of joy, finding joy in any circumstance, contentment in the father-son relationship, the power of love and rest, and raising boys as true sons of God.

Seven years ago, Forrest Hersom accepted a wild invitation to rediscover his wild heart. In this conversation, Forrest reflects on the past seven years and the journey he has experienced as a man.