“Probably not...” 

On this episode of After America, Dr Emma Shortis and Angus Blackman discuss how Trump is normalising the idea that he might not leave the White House once his second term is up. Then, Helen Haines MP, independent member for Indi, joins Emma to discuss her community’s concerns about Israel’s actions in Gaza and the growing push for more transparency and accountability in Australian foreign policy. 

Emma's discussion with Helen was recorded on Tuesday 29 July. Her discussion with Angus was recorded on Thursday 7 August. 

After America will be back on Tuesday 19 August. 

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Dead Centre: How political pragmatism is killing us by Richard Denniss is available for pre-order now via the Australia Institute website. 

Guest: Helen Haines MP, Independent Member for Indi // @‪helenhainesindi 

Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // @emmashortis 

Host: Angus Blackman, Producer, the Australia Institute // @angusrb 

Show notes: 

Watch CNBC's full interview with President Donald Trump, CNBC on YouTube (August 2025) 

What does Texas redrawing its voting maps mean and why have Democrats left the state? Explained, The Guardian (August 2025) 

RFK Jr. is incredibly dangerous, Jamelle Bouie on YouTube (May 2025) 

Polling – AUKUS, the Australia Institute (June 2025) 

Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions 

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