We all know about Willem's sensational work on screen, but what you might not have realised is that he dedicated nearly 30 years of his life to the The Wooster Group - a legendary experimental theatre company in New York. Willem was kind enough to invite Jonny to his farm outside Rome, where he had only just morphed from movie star to animal midwife. They discuss how a white middle class boy from Milwaukee discovered the creative avant-garde, what it was like to experience loft performances in the golden age of punk, and how he once blanked his lines during an audition for Edward Albee, before being asked to show the great playwright more than just his audition piece.

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