This episode was recorded before the news of the murder of a George Floyd, and so begins with a quick explanation for its perkiness and promise from Ellen of what she is going to be doing differently. Now, pour a glass and drink with her, and a thing or two about wine while you're at it. This week there is a game of WhoWhatWhatWhenWhereWhy Wine, a bit of philosophy, and On the Food Side covers the phenomenon of food category applied to shape, the most recent manifestation of which is the oddity of pancake cereal. Ellen is drinking another woman made wine, this time a marvelous Pinot Noir from Tessier. At the end, Ellen chats with Kara Newman, the spirits editor of Wine Enthusiast and author of cocktail!

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