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Two losses and a Nate Danielson demotion: this Detroit Red Wings podcast has the Red Wings vs Golden Knights and Avalanche recaps after a 2-1 home loss and a 4-0 shutout. Hockeytown news & analysis covers Michael Rasmussen's late giveaway and Simon Edvinsson's holdout update.

(00:00) - Intro

Detroit sits eighth in the Atlantic after a soft October schedule. That's about what most people predicted, even with the Dylan Larkin situation still unresolved. Plus, Winged Wheel Podcast Night at Little Caesars Arena against the Islanders is just under two weeks away, and every ticket supports the Jamie Daniels Foundation - get yours today!

(05:00) - Golden Knights Loss

Anton Johansson scores the opening goal in the 3rd, but Michael Rasmussen's soft giveaway under zero pressure led to rookie Trevor Connelly toe-dragging past him for the winner as the Red Wings lose in devastating fashion.

(17:50) - Avalanche Shutout

Detroit put 27 shots on goal without scoring, and the penalty kill failed 60% of the time (amid some head-scratching calls from the officials). Also, Moritz Seider's fight with Gabriel Landeskog. 

(24:25) - Seider & Chiarot Pairing

Moritz Seider is back without a true partner, and by a lot of measures Ben Chiarot's top-pair numbers are among the league's worst. With Detroit missing its two best left-handed defensemen, is anyone else worth trying up there for Todd McLellan?

(36:05) - Edvinsson Holdout

A (new?) video that appears to show Simon Edvinsson skating in Sweden has the hosts convinced this contract standoff is headed for a trade, not a new deal. Plus, how a year and a half of organizational missteps got Detroit here, the Nikita Kucherov comparison, and which young forwards could come back in a deal.

(50:10) - Nate Danielson Sent Down

Nate Danielson heads to the Grand Rapids Griffins as Marco Kasper and Mason Appleton near a return. Meanwhile, Carter Bear has 14 points in 12 AHL games, and Brad and Evan argue Axel Sandin-Pellikka (three points in four games since joining the Griffins) was just a numbers-game victim on the right side.

(01:07:00) - IIHF Reinstates Russia

The IIHF says it has to follow a CAS ruling that brings Russia back into international hockey, and Canada's government says it won't issue visas for Russia's World Juniors team. Sweden and Switzerland are among the federations refusing to play them, while Norway loses its U20 spot.

(01:13:35) - Overtime Mailbag

Patron questions on claims the Wild tampered with Dylan Larkin during the Olympics, the vibe in the room since he left, and how binding his 10-team list really is. Plus, a pitch for real penalties on players who sit out over a trade request (with Larkin's forfeited salary near $500,000) and whether to trade Nate Danielson now.

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Dylan Larkin's camp refuses to expand his 10-team list as his trade request stalemate with the Red Wings drags on. This Detroit Red Wings podcast also has the Red Wings vs Panthers & Lightning recaps: a 5-3 win Monday, then a 4-2 loss where John Gibson got hurt.

(00:00) - Intro

(05:20) - Larkin Trade List Standoff

Pierre LeBrun reports Larkin's camp won't go beyond the 10 teams already on his list, even with Detroit eyeing Montreal, Boston, LA and Buffalo. With five years left on his deal and $282,000 (and counting) lost sitting out, we explain why Minnesota's Danila Yurov package isn't enough and interim GM Shawn Horcoff is right to hold firm.

(26:10) - Edvinsson December Deadline

Darren Dreger reports the Red Wings still hope Simon Edvinsson changes his mind before the Dec. 1 deadline. If this contract standoff ends in a trade, we explain why a last-minute bidding war for a 23-year-old top-pair defenseman works in Detroit's favor.

(31:00) - Panthers Win & Rasmussen Resurgence?

Carter Mazur snipes his first goal to open the scoring. Michael Rasmussen's net-front screen sets up a Justin Faulk power play goal, and Todd McLellan publicly backs his guys.

(41:55) - Lightning Loss & Gibson Injury

Lucas Raymond scores his sixth in a push back from 3-0 down that falls short, and John Gibson leaves after one period with a lower-body injury. Daniil Tarasov allows one goal in relief, and we make the case for giving him a run as the starting goalie with Michal Postava recalled on emergency conditions.

(52:25) - Jets Comeback & Remix Jerseys

The Jets erase a 4-0 deficit with 2:40 left and beat the Canadiens in overtime, after NHL teams trailing by four with three minutes to go had been 0-10,300. We also grade the Hometown Remix jerseys: Detroit's Hockeytown version plays it safe, while Anaheim goes back to the Mighty Ducks.

(01:03:00) - Overtime Mailbag

Your questions on whether the standoffs hurt Detroit's reputation with players and what to expect with Emmitt Finnie and Marco Kasper down the middle. Plus, the roughly three-week Connor Hellebuyck suspension precedent, Nikita Kucherov asking out, and why players rarely switch positions.

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Wild times get wilder as Dylan Larkin's trade list is expected to change and Nikita Kucherov wants out of Tampa Bay. This Detroit Red Wings podcast also covers Simon Edvinsson trade rumors and the Red Wings vs Blackhawks & Blues recaps, a 4-1 win and a 5-4 Halloween loss.

(00:00) - Intro

(04:00) - Larkin & Kucherov Trade Talk

Elliotte Friedman's Saturday Headlines report says Dylan Larkin's list is expected to be altered within 24 to 48 hours. Plus, why we'd still rather swing for a top prospect than take Minnesota's reported package built around Danila Yurov and two to three first-round picks. Nikita Kucherov's trade request adds a wrinkle, and we weigh the three-team theory sending him to Montreal and Larkin to Tampa with Hage coming to Hockeytown.

(22:45) - Edvinsson Rumors & Michael Misa

Detroit's ask for Simon Edvinsson reportedly starts with Michael Misa - plausible, or insane? Plus, why a 23-year-old top-pair defenseman's certainty is worth so much, and why Tynan Lawrence has our attention.

(34:10) - Blackhawks Win & Blues Collapse

Viktor Arvidsson's hat trick powers the 4-1 win, and Moritz Seider's postgame statement is spoken like a true captain. Then Detroit blows a 4-2 lead in the third period of the Halloween matinee and loses 5-4, with John Gibson allowing five goals on 15 shots.

(49:10) - Sandin-Pellikka to Grand Rapids

Axel Sandin-Pellikka is sent to the Griffins after being scratched more often than not, and Jacob Bernard-Docker gets the call-up as the extra defenseman. Why some think ASP should have been playing in Detroit, why Ryan isn't writing him off, and the leaked Fanatics remix jerseys get a quick first reaction.

(53:50) - Overtime Mailbag

Patron questions on whether Simon Edvinsson's knee procedures shaped Detroit's evaluation and whether Larkin ever wavered after the "kissed and made up" comments. Plus, trading within the Atlantic and whether Michael Rasmussen has actually picked up his pace of play.

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Dylan Larkin says he's done playing for the Red Wings, and Detroit has suspended him without pay. This Detroit Red Wings podcast emergency episode tackles the resulting Red Wings trade rumors, Shawn Horcoff's press conference and Larkin's 10-team list.

(00:00) - Intro & Jamie Daniels Fundraiser

Inspired by "Hellebucks", we've launched "DylanDough.com" (or "LarkinBucks.com", we're not picky) to count the roughly $41,000 a day Larkin is giving up. The goal: raise one day of his salary for the Jamie Daniels Foundation.

(03:45) - Dylan Larkin Suspension Reaction

Agent Pat Brisson's statement and the Red Wings' suspension set the scene, as we compare Larkin's move to Connor Hellebuyck's holdout in Winnipeg. The guys also find a silver lining for Detroit: a healthier player, the distraction out of the room, better draft lottery odds, and Emmitt Finnie as the true number one center.

(21:35) - Shawn Horcoff Press Conference

Horcoff says Detroit has talked to teams on and off Larkin's 10-team list, will consider futures, and is prepared to wait as long as it takes for the right deal. With every team on that list a contender, the list might really be one or two teams deep.

(29:25) - Trade Timeline Predictions

The holdout could get other teams calling, and Larkin's $8.7 million cap hit isn't adjusted like Hellebuyck's since he was at training camp. All three hosts lean 60-40 that he ends up with a team outside his list, with Montreal or Buffalo as the pick.

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Michal Postava wins his first NHL start in the most legendary way possible, as this Detroit Red Wings podcast has the Red Wings vs Oilers a 4-3 shootout game recap. Max Bultman joins to break down Red Wings trade rumors around Simon Edvinsson and Dylan Larkin.

(00:00) - Intro

Max Bultman joins us for another Good in the Room episode!

(03:55) - Oilers Shootout Win

MICHAL. POSTAVA. Massive win for the Czech netminder in his 1st career start. Viktor Arvidsson scores his fifth goal of the season, fourth on the power play, before Dylan Larkin ties it late with the goalie pulled. Moritz Seider's shift against the best player of his generation is pure "teach tape", and Michal Postava goes three-for-three in the shootout against McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins.

(29:50) - Postava & Goaltending Future

Michal Postava still hasn't allowed more than three goals in a game in North America. Max sees him heading back to Grand Rapids once Daniil Tarasov is healthy, but with John Gibson a pending UFA, more NHL starts should follow this season.

(34:30) - Axel Sandin-Pellikka Scratches

Axel Sandin-Pellikka has now sat in the press box for three straight games, and Brad warns against coaching the creativity out of him. Kris Letang comes up as the best-case comparable, while Max sees a 40-point career like Shayne Gostisbehere's.

(46:50) - Dylan Larkin Trade Market

Max runs through all 10 teams on Dylan Larkin's list and only sees two or three real fits, with Minnesota the big one. Off the list, Buffalo makes sense thanks to Tage Thompson and their assets, Larkin's Olympic linemate in Milan, and Boston isn't crazy either if Hagens or Minten are available.

(57:00) - Simon Edvinsson Landing Spots

The longer this drags on, the more Simon Edvinsson's situation looks like a real trade request, with a month and four days left to sign him for this season. The panel looks at St. Louis, Nashville and San Jose, building a package around Michael Misa with the Noah Dobson or Sergachev trade as a price check.

(01:09:05) - Quinn Hughes & Bill Guerin

Bill Guerin admits "I don't know what's going to happen" with Quinn Hughes, and the crew debates whether Minnesota should sell or go for it while sitting first in the Central. Plus, why an Edvinsson-for-Hughes swap is still a no.

(01:17:45) - Overtime Mailbag

Your questions on why Carter Bear is better off with the Griffins for now, taking a swing at Ivan Miroshnichenko, and whether a hot dog is a sandwich. Plus, Larkin's "muted" goal celebrations and interim GM Shawn Horcoff making the call on his trade.

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Lucas Raymond finally breaks out! In our Red Wings vs Canucks and Flames recaps: a lopsided win, then a stinker that snapped a six-game point streak. This Detroit Red Wings podcast also asks what Connor Hellebuyck's trade to New Jersey means for Dylan Larkin.

(00:00) - Intro

Brad thanks Mark Scheifele for being the other mutant who knows which way every NHL player shoots, and Evan's reputation for hating mid-day emergency episodes gets aired out.

(06:35) - Canucks & Flames Game Recaps

Lucas Raymond scores twice as Detroit jumps out 3-1 inside nine minutes, and Michal Postava stops seven of eight in relief in his NHL debut on a night where the Canucks went an hour and 42 minutes of real time without a shot. Then, a flat loss followed in Calgary as John Gibson and the Red Wings' special teams struggled.

(26:45) - Brandsegg-Nygard Calder Race

Michael Brandsegg-Nygard was tied with the Sharks' Ivar Stenberg for the rookie scoring lead at eight points, all without a power-play point. Why we call him the most impressive rookie in the league so far, positive defensive numbers included.

(32:10) - John Gibson Trade Debate

John Gibson's rough start and Daniil Tarasov's spot among the league leaders in goals saved above expected put a trade on the table, with goalie prospects stacked up behind them. What kind of trade offer would leave Horcoff and the Red Wings comfortable with Postava backing up and Augustine & Gylander in Grand Rapids?

(40:40) - Hellebuyck Deal & Larkin Market

We grade Winnipeg's return for Connor Hellebuyck and explain why the trade likely takes New Jersey out of the Dylan Larkin race. Plus, Larkin's list potentially growing more and why interim GM Shawn Horcoff is right to wait for a better offer.

(01:00:40) - Edvinsson Contract Standoff

Alexander Nikishin ends his holdout with a one-year, $3 million deal in Carolina after chasing around $9 million long term (the Hurricanes were one of the teams sniffing around Simon Edvinsson). Why the Edvinsson situation may now be about whether he still wants out rather than the numbers, and why a trade beats him sitting out the year.

(01:11:40) - Dustin Byfuglien Alumni Game

Former NHL defenseman Dustin Byfuglien is back on the ice and the crowd goes berserk. We relive his biggest hits, including one on Mark Stone that might be the hardest we've ever seen.

(01:14:40) - Overtime Mailbag

Moritz Seider's knee scare in the boards (he returned), why Axel Sandin-Pellikka can't keep getting scratched, and arena pet peeves from the stands to the concourse. Plus, whether it's time to panic on Nate Danielson and a listener's point that Larkin's trade value drops with age.

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Dylan Larkin's 10-team trade list is out, & the Utah Mammoth may change the outlook. This Detroit Red Wings podcast also covers Simon Edvinsson's contract meeting & the Red Wings vs Kraken recap in a 4-3 shootout loss to open a West Coast road trip.

(00:00) - Intro

The Finnie turtlenecks are coming.

(04:00) - Larkin's Ten-Team Trade List

Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press reports the 10 teams Dylan Larkin would accept in his trade request, and Utah and New Jersey are among the new names. Utah's prospect pool could spark a bidding war with Desnoyers and Iginla being targets, but Elliotte Friedman reports the Mammoth aren't keen on moving their top young pieces, and they're known as brutal trade partners.

(20:00) - Montreal Omission & Prospect Targets

Montreal and every other Canadian team are still missing from the list, so which prospects would be an automatic yes? Tij Iginla or Caleb Desnoyers would get a yes as the headliner of a package, while prying a top prospect like Cole Hutson or Ilya Protas out of Washington is an extreme long shot.

(24:20) - Ownership's Win-Now Mandate

Chris Ilitch wants to win now, but demanding NHL-ready players in a trade while stalling on Simon Edvinsson's contract doesn't add up.

(33:30) - Edvinsson Contract Meeting

Pierre LeBrun reports Simon Edvinsson and agent J.P. Barry met face to face with the Red Wings this past weekend, though the read is that Edvinsson's side still prefers a trade. LeBrun points to the Bowen Byram, Sergachev, and Dobson trades as comparables, but with a December 1 deadline to sign him for this season, waiting out the contract standoff might be the smart play for Horcoff.

(51:05) - Kraken Comeback & Shootout

Down 3-0 with 11 shots through two periods, Detroit claws back on goals from Viktor Arvidsson and Lucas Raymond, whose power play tally is his first of the season. Alex DeBrincat ties it with 16 seconds left to stretch the point streak to five games, but Dylan Larkin can't convert the final attempt of the shootout.

(01:00:25) - Around the NHL

Henrik Zetterberg has his number retired by Timrå, and the Penguins' Ben Kindel is conscious and stable after a medical scare turned the team plane around. Plus, Ottawa fans' signs for Brady Tkachuk's homecoming and Connor McDavid's 243-point pace with six goals and 20 assists through nine games.

(01:05:10) - Overtime Mailbag

Your questions on Trevor Connelly's hot start in Vegas and Jimmy Devellano saying the Red Wings and Dylan Larkin have "kind of kissed and made up." Plus, Michael Rasmussen's heavy minutes, Carter Mazur's outlook and why the Red Wings lineup runs 11 forwards and seven defensemen.

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Two straight wins for the first time this season! This Detroit Red Wings podcast brings the Red Wings vs Flyers and Sharks recaps, from Anton Johansson's first NHL goal in a 2-1 win to Moritz Seider's stalwart play & Lucas Raymond's shootout winner in Saturday's comeback.

(00:00) - Intro & Rasmussen Reverse Jinx

Calling out Michael Rasmussen's point drought last episode worked!

(05:30) - Red Wings Game Recaps

Johansson skips a line change coming out of the penalty box to score on a two-on-one, and Andrew Copp buries the late winner against a winless Philadelphia team. Down 3-1 in the third to San Jose, Detroit gets more stellar play from Finnie & MBN, Alex DeBrincat's tying goal with about a minute and a half left, and nearly 30 minutes from Moritz Seider.

(31:30) - Bernard-Docker On Waivers

Jacob Bernard-Docker, signed through next season at $1.6 million, goes unclaimed and heads to Grand Rapids, a vote of confidence in Detroit's young right-handed defensemen.

(36:20) - Edvinsson Sighting

Simon Edvinsson pops up at a Colgate women's hockey pregame skate in a Red Wings practice jersey and a Boston University helmet - sign a contract is close, or just noise?

(39:10) - Larkin Montreal Trade Theory & Red Wings Notess

Ryan's tinfoil-hat theory is that Detroit and Montreal both want to settle Larkin's trade request together, with Canadiens prospect Michael Hage as the dream return, even though most call him a non-starter. Plus, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard sits tied for second in rookie scoring playing alongside 1C Emmitt Finnie, and the Rangers kick tires on goalies with John Gibson's name in the mix.

(53:05) - Ilitch on Horcoff's Future

Chris Ilitch tells a group of reporters that interim GM Shawn Horcoff is a candidate to have the tag removed but the GM/President of Hockey Ops search continues, right after Horcoff got the Alex DeBrincat contract done. Is Horcoff the president of hockey ops type? What's his path where he stays on as GM under one?

(01:00:05) - Hellebuyck Suspension Fallout

The Jets suspended Connor Hellebuyck without pay for about three weeks after he skipped training camp to push for a trade. With captain Adam Lowry saying there'll have to be a conversation, will Winnipeg play him at all?

(01:04:05) - Overtime Mailbag

Your questions on trading for Oilers forward Isaac Howard and MBN's Calder odds. Plus, why running 11 forwards and seven defensemen is the right lineup call and how Todd McLellan is deploying the kids.

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Alex DeBrincat signs a seven-year, $91 million extension with the Red Wings, and this Detroit Red Wings podcast grades the deal and asks why Simon Edvinsson still isn't signed. Plus a Red Wings vs Devils recap of the 5-4 overtime loss, six games into the season.

(00:00) - Intro

A rare bit of optimism in Hockeytown as the DeBrincat extension news landed. Detroit finally gets a win, and everyone takes a turn at "we're so back."

(04:50) - DeBrincat Extension Breakdown

Alex DeBrincat stays with his hometown team for seven more years at $13 million a season. Our full contract breakdown and grade, details on trade protections, and a why it may be a statement from interim GM Shawn Horcoff and ownership that they'll take care of their guys.

(16:05) - Red Wings Retool Timeline

Committing to DeBrincat through age 36 rules out a teardown, even for a team with one win so far. Is this a two-to-three-year retool around Moritz Seider, Lucas Raymond, and the young core, or can it happen next season - and how much does the Dylan Larkin trade decide that?

(23:25) - Edvinsson Contract Standoff

Simon Edvinsson is headed back to North America to skate with a trainer his agency set up, but no trade or signing is done. Shawn Horcoff says he has "zero interest" in trading him - so after the DeBrincat deal, is the pressure finally on Edvinsson?

(37:35) - Devils Game Recap

Emmitt Finnie buries a perfect stretch pass from Michael Brandsegg-Nygard to give Detroit life, and Finnie returns the favor in the second. Alex DeBrincat ties it twice, but Jack Hughes wins it 5-4 on an overtime breakaway after a high-risk three-on-three pass from Raymond.

(47:30) - Raymond Demotion & Rasmussen Drought

Practice lines drop Lucas Raymond onto a line with Michael Rasmussen, and the numbers are brutal: 32 NHL goalies have recorded a point since Rasmussen's last one on January 5. Plus, Dylan Larkin still looks hurt - do you sit him while his trade request stands?

(58:50) - Griffins Prospect Update

Michal Postava opens 3-0 for the Grand Rapids Griffins with a 1.34 GAA and player of the week honors, making him the next goalie up in Detroit. Jesse Kiiskinen's seven points in five games make the case for a call-up, and Carter Bear scores his first goal.

(01:04:00) - Overtime Mailbag

Patron questions on Nate Danielson's slow start, whether a defenseman like Landon DuPont changes a franchise the way a center does, and Gary Bettman's look at movement clauses. Plus, Shawn Horcoff and Kris Draper scouting Danila Yurov as the Dylan Larkin trade talks continue.

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Red Wings vs. Kraken & Canadiens recaps: Detroit blows a lead in a 6-3 loss, then falls 1-0 in a shootout. This Detroit Red Wings podcast also covers Simon Edvinsson's contract standoff & Bell Centre fans chanting for Dylan Larkin amid his trade request.

(00:00) - Intro

Wild times in the world of Hockeytown - is this Detroit's "gas leak" season?

(04:00) - Kraken & Canadiens Losses

William Wallinder and Michael Brandsegg-Nygard score their first NHL goals, but the Red Wings melted down and, as Todd McLellan put it, "the team got lazy and complacent". On the second night of the back-to-back, Daniil Tarasov is perfect through regulation, overtime and five shootout rounds while three goals get taken off the board, and Detroit still couldn't score.

(24:10) - Nate Danielson & Shootout Choice

Discussion on the offensive vs. defensive value of the Andrew Copp line. Also, Nate Danielson is playing without any confidence, and the hosts split on sending him out for the sixth round of the shootout.

(35:50) - "We Want Larkin" Chant

There's no playbook for a home crowd chanting for the visiting team's former captain while he's asking out of Detroit. Why Michael Hage isn't on the table, why Dylan Larkin likely isn't heading north of the border, & why Todd McLellan shut down questions about the distraction.

(43:30) - Simon Edvinsson Contract Watch

A report says Simon Edvinsson still prefers a trade while the Red Wings say they want to sign him, with a December 1 deadline looming. Why $10 million, just 9.62% of this year's cap, is the overpay worth making, and why Utah is the rumored front-runner if it comes to a trade.

(01:01:00) - Shesterkin Injury & Gibson Trade

With Igor Shesterkin out for the season, the hosts argue Detroit should call the Rangers about John Gibson now, likely for around a second-round pick.

(01:04:25) - Overtime Mailbag

Patrons ask how far Detroit has to sink before management acts, and one prediction is that they stand pat until a Justin Faulk trade for a second at the deadline. Plus, the top power play unit, why a $77 million, seven-year offer sheet for Edvinsson would cost four first-round picks, and whether trading him makes sense.

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