Even if you don't play games, you know what they're about, right? Wars, power, control, money... dudes on a map trying to take over the world! But what if a game was about birds? Butterflies? Mushrooms? Today we talk with Elizabeth Hargrave, one of today's most successful game designers, responsible for the instant-classic, Wingspan. Bringing a feminine aesthetic, along with a formidable business acumen, she is advancing the game industry into the modern era.

Host: David Gardner Guest: Elizabeth Hargrave Producer: Rick Engdahl

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