Is there chaos in the coalition? Yesterday, NZ First ministers revealed they were planning to take the issue of abortion law reform to the public, with a referendum. And yet, NZ First Minister Tracey Martin said that this was never a discussion raised during conversations on the matter. Add to that Labour’s Andrew Little, who has been working on this Bill for around a year, says he was taken by surprise with the announcement that NZ First would push for a referendum. So, what does it all mean for the government? Commentator Ben Thomas is here to break it down. Host Stewart Sowman-Lund starts by asking him how serious this all is.