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Description
In this episode of the Whiteness at Work podcast, Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall engages with Professor Denise Miller and Dr. Charmaine Brown to explore the concept of whiteness, its implications in educational settings, and experiences with racism. They discuss the mechanisms to dismantle whiteness, the role of research in advocating for change, and the psychosocial costs of racism faced by staff in educational institutions. The conversation emphasises the importance of awareness, community empowerment, and the need for meaningful research that impacts society beyond academia.
Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall and guests delve into the complexities of studying racism, allyship, and the psychosocial costs associated with these experiences. They discuss the importance of understanding the perspectives of both Black individuals and white allies in academia, the challenges of institutional racism, and the need for a shift in power dynamics to foster genuine change. The conversation highlights the ongoing struggle against institutional racism and the necessity of addressing whiteness in discussions about equity and inclusion.
Keywords
whiteness, racism, privilege, education, institutional racism, equity, diversity, research, community empowerment, activism, racism, allyship, psychosocial costs, institutional racism, whiteness, academia, diversity, equity, inclusion, research
Chapters
00:00 Understanding Whiteness and Its Impact
06:58 Personal Journeys with Whiteness
16:04 Mechanisms to Dismantle Whiteness
21:11 Research as a Tool for Change
32:55 Exploring the Psychosocial Costs of Racism
36:41 The Costs of Allyship and Racism
39:32 Exploring Psychosocial Costs of Racism
43:52 The Role of White Perspectives in Racism
48:59 Shifting the Narrative on Institutional Racism
51:51 Reflections on Change and Progress
01:00:34 Methodological Insights on Whiteness
01:08:08 Understanding Whiteness and Power Dynamics
We discuss the journal papers:
Miller, D., Brown, C. and Essex, R. (2023) ‘The psychosocial costs of racism to White staff members of an ethnically diverse, post-92 university’. London Review of Education, 21 (1), 39. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.21.1.39.
Miller, D., Essex, R. and Brown, C. (2025) ‘“I’m managed by a White man who’s managed by a White man who’s managed by a White woman who’s managed by a White man”: the problem of institutional racism in a UK-based university’. London Review of Education, 23 (1), 8. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.23.1.08.
We also reference the journal papers:
Exum, M.L. (2022). ‘White students’ perceptions of the costs and consequences of being black’. Race and Social Problems, : 1–17, Advance online publication. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12552-022-09364-5
Miller, P. (2016). ‘White sanction’, institutional, group and individual interaction in the promotion and progression of black and minority ethnic academics and teachers in England. Power and Education 8 (3) : 205–21, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/1757743816672880
Spanierman, L.B; Todd, N.R; Anderson, C.J. (2009). ‘Psychosocial costs of racism to Whites: Understanding patterns among university students’. Journal of Counseling Psychology 56 (2) : 239–52, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015432 [PubMed]
Find out more at: https://equitablecoaching.com/
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By Dr. Claire Stewart-HallDescription
In this episode of the Whiteness at Work podcast, Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall engages with Professor Denise Miller and Dr. Charmaine Brown to explore the concept of whiteness, its implications in educational settings, and experiences with racism. They discuss the mechanisms to dismantle whiteness, the role of research in advocating for change, and the psychosocial costs of racism faced by staff in educational institutions. The conversation emphasises the importance of awareness, community empowerment, and the need for meaningful research that impacts society beyond academia.
Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall and guests delve into the complexities of studying racism, allyship, and the psychosocial costs associated with these experiences. They discuss the importance of understanding the perspectives of both Black individuals and white allies in academia, the challenges of institutional racism, and the need for a shift in power dynamics to foster genuine change. The conversation highlights the ongoing struggle against institutional racism and the necessity of addressing whiteness in discussions about equity and inclusion.
Keywords
whiteness, racism, privilege, education, institutional racism, equity, diversity, research, community empowerment, activism, racism, allyship, psychosocial costs, institutional racism, whiteness, academia, diversity, equity, inclusion, research
Chapters
00:00 Understanding Whiteness and Its Impact
06:58 Personal Journeys with Whiteness
16:04 Mechanisms to Dismantle Whiteness
21:11 Research as a Tool for Change
32:55 Exploring the Psychosocial Costs of Racism
36:41 The Costs of Allyship and Racism
39:32 Exploring Psychosocial Costs of Racism
43:52 The Role of White Perspectives in Racism
48:59 Shifting the Narrative on Institutional Racism
51:51 Reflections on Change and Progress
01:00:34 Methodological Insights on Whiteness
01:08:08 Understanding Whiteness and Power Dynamics
We discuss the journal papers:
Miller, D., Brown, C. and Essex, R. (2023) ‘The psychosocial costs of racism to White staff members of an ethnically diverse, post-92 university’. London Review of Education, 21 (1), 39. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.21.1.39.
Miller, D., Essex, R. and Brown, C. (2025) ‘“I’m managed by a White man who’s managed by a White man who’s managed by a White woman who’s managed by a White man”: the problem of institutional racism in a UK-based university’. London Review of Education, 23 (1), 8. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.23.1.08.
We also reference the journal papers:
Exum, M.L. (2022). ‘White students’ perceptions of the costs and consequences of being black’. Race and Social Problems, : 1–17, Advance online publication. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12552-022-09364-5
Miller, P. (2016). ‘White sanction’, institutional, group and individual interaction in the promotion and progression of black and minority ethnic academics and teachers in England. Power and Education 8 (3) : 205–21, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/1757743816672880
Spanierman, L.B; Todd, N.R; Anderson, C.J. (2009). ‘Psychosocial costs of racism to Whites: Understanding patterns among university students’. Journal of Counseling Psychology 56 (2) : 239–52, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015432 [PubMed]
Find out more at: https://equitablecoaching.com/