Startups think they’ve found product-market fit because the graph went up for a few quarters.
Mike Peroni explains why that false sense of PMF is exactly what causes so many SaaS companies to stall before $10M ARR.
- Messaging confusion.
- Founder-led growth.
- Feature creep.
- ICP drift.
the stuff that quietly kills scale.
when you know what the difference is, you're much more likely to have a system that can sail past $10M ARR.
In this episode of What Makes You Tick, Richard Washington sits down with Mike Peroni to unpack one of the biggest questions in SaaS growth:
How do you know if you really have product-market fit?
Together, they break down:
why so many SaaS companies plateau after early growth
the difference between traction and true product-market fit
why founder-led sales eventually stop scaling
how ICP drift quietly kills momentum
why adding more features can actually slow growth
what happens between $5M and $25M ARR when messaging becomes unclear
how scaling companies lose narrative clarity as products expand
If you’re a SaaS founder, CRO, VP Sales, GTM leader, or startup operator trying to scale from Series A to Series B, this conversation is packed with practical insight on:
SaaS growth strategy
scaling product-market fit
startup positioning
founder-led sales
go-to-market alignment
ICP strategy
SaaS messaging
scaling revenue teams
startup growth challenges
why SaaS growth stalls
Mike shares real-world lessons from working with scaling SaaS companies, including why many businesses mistake early momentum for sustainable repeatability — and how to diagnose the warning signs before growth plateaus.
This episode also explores:
why feature-led messaging creates confusion
how startups become “feature catalogues”
the hidden risks of expanding beyond your core ICP
why clarity is often the real competitive advantage
how the best SaaS companies scale without losing focus
In This Episode:
What product-market fit actually looks like
Why startups plateau between $5M and $25M ARR
How to know when your GTM motion is breaking
Why messaging complexity kills growth
How founder intuition must evolve into scalable systems
Why ICP clarity matters more as you scale
The biggest scaling mistakes SaaS founders make
Who This Episode Is For
SaaS founders
Startup CEOs
Revenue leaders
CROs and VP Sales
Series A and Series B companies
GTM and product leaders
Startup operators scaling revenue
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeperoni/
Connect with Richard: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richwash/
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