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In this conversation, Amit Saar shares his journey from software engineering at Microsoft to founding OpenOps. He focuses on the challenges and solutions in FinOps. He highlights the need for automation, accountability, and balancing innovation with governance in managing cloud costs. 

Amit points out the fatigue that engineering managers face due to overwhelming demands. He stresses the need for better tools and practices to streamline FinOps processes. The discussion also covers the challenges of automating FinOps, the role of no-code platforms, and the importance of community engagement through open sourcing.

Topics include the fragmentation of systems in enterprises and the advantages of a no-code approach for automation. Amit discusses monetization strategies for sustaining an open-source model. The conversation wraps up with practical advice on getting started with OpenOps.