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Leadership is often celebrated but rarely sustained in isolation. What happens when strong leaders are expected to carry it all without being truly seen?
In this powerful episode of Women Thrive, we explore the deeper truth about leadership, resilience, and why witnessing matters just as much as strength. Our guest, Dr. Chenelle S. Boatswain, invites us into a conversation that challenges the “do-it-all-alone” narrative so many women leaders have been conditioned to accept.
Together, we unpack what it really takes to sustain leadership over time. From navigating emotional labor and unseen pressures to understanding the role of community, validation, and shared responsibility. This episode is a reminder that leadership isn’t meant to be lonely and that being witnessed can be the difference between burnout and long-term impact.
If you’re a woman who leads, serves, builds, or carries responsibility for others and quietly wonders who is holding space for you, this conversation will resonate deeply. It’s an invitation to stop surviving alone and start thriving together.
✨ About the Guest ✨
Dr. Chenelle S. Boatswain is an educator, master facilitator, and leadership development scholar dedicated to supporting the sustaining success of Black women leaders. She is the founder of CSB Consulting Services, where she partners with academic institutions to advance institutional transformation and disrupt isolation, burnout, and attrition among women of color in leadership. Her signature program, The Thriving Together Network, convenes high-performing leaders in culturally affirming, protective professional communities that center collective care as a pathway to balancing wellness with ambition.
With over 20 years of leadership experience across K–12, nonprofit, and higher education sectors, Dr. Boatswain’s consulting and facilitation are deeply informed by her scholarship, which examines the resilience practices of Black women leaders and the role of collective care in leadership sustainability. Her recent publications include “In Spite of It All: A Dear ‘Ed’ Letter,” featured in Dear Higher Education: Letters from the Social Justice Mountain (University of Minnesota Libraries), and “From Classroom to Conference Room: Microaggressions in Scholarly Interactions,” published in Microaggressions Faced by African American Faculty in Higher Education (IGI Global). Her forthcoming chapter, “Protecting the Unprotected,” will appear in Thriving in Higher Education. Her work has been featured nationally with the American Educational Research Association, the Black Women’s Studies Association, and the National Women’s Studies Association.
As adjunct faculty at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Boatswain has received multiple honors for teaching, leadership, and student service. She holds a Master of Education from Harvard University and a Doctor of Education from the University of Pennsylvania, and brings the same joy and intention to her work as she does to the dance floor and her life as a proud daughter, sister, auntie, and fur-mama.
📢 Important Links 📢
Connect with our Guest:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chenelle-s-boatswain-edd/
Biz LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/csb-consulting-services/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/drcsboatswain/
Biz Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61559915654192
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chenelle.boatswain.2025/
Website: https://www.csbconsultingservices.com/
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➡️ Show Highlights
(00:00) Why leadership for women of color must be witnessed, not endured alone
(01:08) Being “the only one in the room” and the hidden cost of leadership isolation
(03:18) Dr. Chenelle’s personal leadership rupture—and the moment she questioned belonging
(06:23) Why Black women leaders struggle to find spaces where their experiences are named and validated
(10:19) The power of witnesses: how affirmation changes retention, confidence, and sustainability
(17:56) Restoring humanity in leadership—being vulnerable without being judged
(21:21) Thriving Together Network: laying down the armor and leading with collective care
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