In this insightful episode of Words of Wisdom from Kick-Ass Women, hosts Liz Brohan and Mary Olivieri sit down with transformational growth expert and former NextUp CEO Sarah Alter to unpack a critical—and often overlooked—topic: the importance of male allies in advancing women in the workplace.
Sarah introduces the concept of allyship as more than mentorship, it’s about building intentional, relational partnerships that drive both cultural and business success. Drawing from her experience leading the Beyond Allies program, she explains how organizations can move from good intentions to meaningful action by embedding allyship into everyday behaviors.
A key framework discussed is the 70-20-10 leadership model: 70% of learning comes from experience, 20% from relationships, and 10% from formal education. Combined with emotional intelligence, this model helps individuals develop awareness, choice, motivation, empathy, and skills needed to become effective allies.
The conversation also explores the real-world impact of allyship—from amplifying women’s voices in meetings to calling out inappropriate behavior, even when women aren’t present. Sarah emphasizes that true allyship requires courage, consistency, and a willingness to act.
The episode doesn’t shy away from challenges. The hosts and Sarah reflect on the regression women experienced during COVID-19, the importance of top-down leadership support, and the measurable business benefits of inclusive cultures—like increased retention, innovation, and productivity.
For listeners looking to drive change, Sarah offers practical advice: start small, build cross-functional support, and frame allyship as a business imperative—not just a moral one.
This episode is a powerful reminder that creating equity at work isn’t just a women’s issue, it’s everyone’s responsibility.
NextUp (nextupisnow.org) – Leadership development and allyship programs
Beyond Allies Program – Structured allyship initiative created at NextUp
70-20-10 Leadership Development Model
Emotional Intelligence (EQ) Framework (5 core elements)
The Female Quotient – Community advancing gender equality in the workplace
“Allyship isn’t a title—it’s action. It’s what you say and what you do when no one’s watching.”
“If women are half the workforce, men should be half the solution. That’s not radical—that’s reality.”
“Inclusive cultures aren’t just good ethics—they’re good business. Retention, innovation, profit…all rise with allyship.”You can find us wherever you listen to podcasts or watch us on YouTube.