Three men. Rural and city. A farmer, a builder, an accountant. Getting real about their mums, the partners they chose, and what it means to hold both relationships with care.

Not just when conflict hits, but in everyday life. Do they step in, step back, or stand beside? Where does loyalty lie when love stretches across generations, homes, and business?

Raw. Honest. Uncomfortable at times and deeply needed.

Because families, love, and business don’t sit in neat boxes, and neither do we.

On this episode of Working Her Out, we meet Sarah Pastro, a woman who became a surrogate mother for a couple longing for a child. Sarah shares the vulnerable, courageous, and deeply human journey behind the title.

A raw, honest glimpse into the woman behind the role,
and an absolute must-listen.

Join me, Abi Cook-Singh, with my daughter Belle Spehr on Before the Ring! We explore mothers and daughters-in-law dynamics, focusing on building connection, positivity, and understanding before tensions arise. Honest, fun, and insightful, practical tips and real talk to strengthen relationships, celebrate family, and make the journey to marriage smoother.