Working Smarter Not Harder

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A daily 10-minute show for service business owners. AI tools, automated workflows, and the boring-on-purpose tactics that save you 5 hours a week. Each episode picks one niche, one workflow, and one t... more

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July 21, 2026How Salons Win Back Lapsed Clients With Automated Texts
When you're behind the chair all day, the clients who drifted don't disappear from your heart—they disappear from your calendar. Marisol, owner of a three-chair salon in Tucson, shares the moment she realized she had a system problem, not a memory problem, and the simple automation setup that fixed it.
Why even the most relationship-driven salon owners lose clients silently—and don't notice until a chance grocery store run

The "bottleneck" diagnosis: you're holding all the client knowledge in your head while your hands are busy cutting hair

Why spreadsheets and sticky notes fail—and what a single consolidated client list with last-visit dates actually changes

Setting a re-engagement trigger: if a client hasn't booked in 10 weeks, an automated text goes out from your own business number

Writing texts that feel personal, not promotional—"Hey stranger, been a minute" vs. "Book now, 20% off"

The two-nudge sequence: a warm first text, a softer follow-up two weeks later, then letting it go gracefully

How replies, booking links, and calendar updates all flow back to you like a normal conversation—no new app to check
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Eric: So you told me before we hit record that you can name every regular client's kid, their dog, the vacation they took in June... but you can't tell me who hasn't been in since March.
Marisol Ortega: Yeah. That's the whole thing, right there. That's the whole embarrassing thing.
Eric: I don't think it's embarrassing. I think it's really common.
Marisol Ortega: It FEELS embarrassing. Because I love these people. Like, I genuinely love my clients. And then one day I'm at the grocery store and I see somebody I haven't done in eight months and she's got a fresh cut and it is NOT from me.
Eric: Oof.
Marisol Ortega: And she's sweet about it. She's like, oh hi Marisol, and I'm smiling, and inside I'm like... when did I lose you. When did that happen.
Eric: Okay so back up for people. Tell me about the salon.
Marisol Ortega: Sure. So I've got a little three-chair spot in Tucson. I opened it eleven years ago after I got tired of renting a booth at somebody else's place. Just me, two other stylists, we do color, cuts, some extensions. Very neighborhood. Very... you know your people.
Eric: How full is your book on a normal week?
Marisol Ortega: Honestly? Depends on the week. My Tuesdays and Wednesdays have holes in them I can't explain. My weekends are packed. But those weekday holes... every one of those holes is somebody I used to see every six weeks who just... drifted.
Eric: And when they drift, what do you actually do about it?
Marisol Ortega: Nothing. That's the answer. Nothing.
Eric: Nothing at all?
Marisol Ortega: I mean, I THINK about them. I'll be folding towels and I'll go, oh man, I haven't seen Denise in forever, I should text her. And then a client walks in and I forget for another three weeks.
Eric: Right.
Marisol Ortega: And I've tried the sticky note thing. I've tried a little notebook. I had a spreadsheet for like two months.
Eric: What happened to the spreadsheet?
Marisol Ortega: What do you think happened to the spreadsheet.
Eric: I know what happened to the spreadsheet.
Marisol Ortega: It's in a folder on my desktop called "salon stuff" and I have not opened it since November.
Eric: So here's what I want to say, and I don't want it to sound harsh. You don't have a memory problem. You have a system problem.
Marisol Ortega: Okay.
Eric: You clearly remember these people. You care about them. The information is IN your head. It's just not anywhere that can act on it while you're cutting hair.
Marisol Ortega: Say that again.
Eric: The information can't act on it while you're cutting hair. You're the bottleneck because you're the only one who knows. And you're also the person whose hands are literally busy all day.
Marisol Ortega: Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I'm holding scissors. I'm not gonna stop mid-foil to text Denise.
Eric: Right. So the fix isn't "remember better." The fix is you need something running in the background that watches the calendar for you.
Marisol Ortega: Okay. What does that look like without me becoming a tech person. Because I am NOT a tech person.
Eric: You don't have to be. Can I walk you through what we did at the agency for a client almost exactly like you? Different industry, same shape of problem.
Marisol Ortega: Please.
Eric: Okay. So we run everything on this all-in-one ops platform. It's the one we use for our agency and it's the one we set up for local service businesses. Booking, texts, emails, the client list, all in one place.
Marisol Ortega: One place. Not four apps.
Eric: Not four apps. That's the whole point. Because your problem right now is that your calendar knows one thing, your phone contacts know another thing, and your brain knows the real thing, and none of them talk.
Marisol Ortega: That's exactly what it feels like.
Eric: So step one is really unsexy. It's just getting every client into one list with the last time they came in.
Marisol Ortega: Import.
Eric: Import. From wherever. From your booking app, from a spreadsheet, from a shoebox. I don't care. Just get it in.
Marisol Ortega: Okay.
Eric: Then, and this is the piece that changes your life, you set a rule. You say, if a client hasn't booked in, let's say, ten weeks... the platform sends them a text. Not from a robot address. From YOUR number.
Marisol Ortega: Wait. From my number.
Eric: From your business number. So when Denise gets it, it looks like Marisol texted her.
Marisol Ortega: Oh.
Eric: And the text isn't salesy. This is the part everybody messes up. Don't write "book now, twenty percent off." Write the thing YOU would actually text her.
Marisol Ortega: Like, hey stranger, missing your face.
Eric: Exactly like that. Hey stranger, been a minute, want me to grab you a spot next week?
Marisol Ortega: I mean, that's just what I'd say.
Eric: That IS what you'd say. And that's why it works. Because the second she gets it she doesn't feel marketed to. She feels remembered.
Marisol Ortega: Okay that's making my chest feel weird.
Eric: Good weird?
Marisol Ortega: Good weird. Because that's the whole thing. I want them to feel remembered. I DO remember them. I just can't be the one holding all of it.
Eric: You can't. Nobody can. Not at three chairs, not at thirty.
Marisol Ortega: So the platform sends the text as me. Then what.
Eric: Then when she texts back, it comes to your phone like a normal text. You reply like a normal human. And if she says yes, there's a booking link right there.
Marisol Ortega: One link. Not "call the salon between these hours."
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July 21, 2026 Working Smarter: 3 Strategies to Reclaim Your Time
Three practical strategies for busy small business owners.
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July 16, 2026Marcy's Duluth Salon Comeback: Fixing the February Slump with a CRM
Marcy, a Duluth salon owner since 2011, walks Eric through the February that broke her books — and the boring, high-leverage fixes that turned it around. If you're an owner-operator flying blind on who your best clients actually are, this one's for you.
In this episode:
Why a slow February in Duluth exposed two different problems: zero client visibility and zero automated follow-up

Marcy's setup: three chairs, two renters, color/cuts/extensions in a neighborhood downtown spot

The "brain integration" trap — booking app, dormant Mailchimp, and memory as three disconnected tools

The three things every owner-operator needs wired together: booking, client history, and outreach

Consolidating messy client data into one all-in-one ops platform (including the three "Jennifer S." problem)

Discovering the "quiet whales" — every-8-to-9-week color clients who out-earned the chatty weekly regulars

Finding that over a third of top spenders were past their normal rebook window with zero outreach

The one short, personal-sounding win-back text — sent from Marcy's number, triggered automatically to past-due clients
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Eric: So you called it the February that broke you. What actually happened that month?
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay so, picture it. Duluth, February, it's like negative twelve outside, nobody wants to leave the house, and my books just... evaporated.
Eric: Evaporated how? Cancellations, or just nobody rebooking?
Marcy Halvorsen: Both. But mostly the second one. I looked at the schedule on a Tuesday morning and I had, I think, four appointments? For the whole day. Across three chairs.
Eric: Oof.
Marcy Halvorsen: Yeah. And the thing that really got me, Eric, was I sat down that afternoon and I tried to figure out who I should even call. Like, who are my people? Who are the ones that come in every six weeks and drop two hundred bucks and tip well?
Eric: And you didn't know.
Marcy Halvorsen: I did NOT know. I've been cutting hair since 2011. I know their kids' names. I know their dogs' names. I could not tell you who my top ten clients were by revenue if you put a gun to my head.
Eric: That's actually really common, and I want to come back to that. But first — tell folks what the salon is.
Marcy Halvorsen: Yeah, so, three chairs, downtown-ish Duluth. Been open almost eight years under my name. It's me and two other stylists who rent from me. We do color, cuts, some extensions. Very much a neighborhood spot.
Eric: And when February hit, what was your system? Like, if you wanted to text your regulars, what did that look like?
Marcy Halvorsen: It looked like me, on my phone, scrolling through my contacts, trying to remember faces.
Eric: So no list.
Marcy Halvorsen: No list. I had a booking app, right, so names were in there. But it didn't tell me anything USEFUL. It didn't say "hey, Marcy, this person hasn't been in for ten weeks and they usually come every six." It just... held appointments.
Eric: Right. And that's the gap. Can I diagnose for a second?
Marcy Halvorsen: Please. Diagnose me.
Eric: Okay. So what was actually going wrong isn't that you had a slow February. Slow Februarys happen. What was going wrong is you had no visibility and no follow-up. Those are two different problems that feel like one problem.
Marcy Halvorsen: Say more.
Eric: Visibility is, at any moment, can you answer "who are my top twenty clients and when did I last see them." Follow-up is, when someone slips past their normal rebook window, does anything happen automatically, or does it require you to remember?
Marcy Halvorsen: Nothing happened automatically. Ever.
Eric: Right. And you're a stylist, not a database.
Marcy Halvorsen: Put that on a shirt.
Eric: So the way I think about this, for any owner-operator business — salon, gym, dog groomer, whatever — you need three things wired together. You need the booking, the client history, and the outreach all talking to each other. Most people have three separate tools and none of them know about the other two.
Marcy Halvorsen: That was me exactly. I had the booking thing, I had a Mailchimp I hadn't logged into in probably a year, and then just, like, my brain.
Eric: The brain integration.
Marcy Halvorsen: The brain integration was failing.
Eric: So okay, walk me through — you called me, what, end of February?
Marcy Halvorsen: Beginning of March. I was desperate. My sister told me to call you.
Eric: And what did we do first? Because I remember this took a minute.
Marcy Halvorsen: What DID we do first? I honestly don't remember the first step.
Eric: First step was boring. First step was just getting everything into one place. All your client records, every appointment history we could pull, every phone number, every email — into the platform we use at the agency.
Marcy Halvorsen: The all-in-one thing.
Eric: Yeah, the all-in-one ops platform we run our agency on. It's what we put every client business on because it holds the CRM, the calendar, the texting, the email, the automations — all of it in one spot. So the booking talks to the follow-up talks to the client record. No copy-paste.
Marcy Halvorsen: And that part took a week?
Eric: Cleanup took about a week, yeah. Because your data was... let's say expressive.
Marcy Halvorsen: Expressive. That's generous.
Eric: There were three "Jennifer S." entries that were all the same Jennifer.
Marcy Halvorsen: They WERE all the same Jennifer! I knew it.
Eric: You knew it. The system did not know it. So we deduped, we merged, we tagged. And then the fun part — we ran the numbers.
Marcy Halvorsen: This was the part that broke my brain in a good way.
Eric: Tell them what we found.
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay so. I would've guessed my top clients were the people I see the most. Right? Like, weekly blowouts, the chatty ones.
Eric: And they weren't.
Marcy Halvorsen: They weren't! My actual top spenders were these color clients who came in every eight or nine weeks, spent a ton each visit, tipped great, and were almost invisible to me week-to-week because they weren't in the chair constantly.
Eric: The quiet whales.
Marcy Halvorsen: The quiet whales. I love that.
Eric: And how many of those quiet whales were overdue when we ran the report?
Marcy Halvorsen: A lot. Like, embarrassingly a lot. I think it was somewhere north of a third of them were past their normal rebook window and I had done nothing.
Eric: Because you didn't know.
Marcy Halvorsen: Because I didn't know!
Eric: Okay so this is the turning point, and I want listeners to hear this clearly. We didn't do anything fancy next. We did the obvious thing that she couldn't do before because the data wasn't there.
Marcy Halvorsen: We wrote a text.
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July 14, 2026Sabinal Tile & Stone: One Inbox, Missed-Call Text-Back & Faster Lead Response
The owner of Sabinal Tile and Stone in San Antonio walks through the chaos of chasing leads across five surfaces — and the simple automation shape that fixes it. If you run a trades or home-services business, this one is for you.
In this episode:
Meet Sabinal Tile and Stone: a 5-person San Antonio flooring, backsplash, and shower crew, 9 years in

The real problem isn't reply speed — it's surface area: website forms, Facebook, Instagram DMs, Messenger, voicemail

Why shared spreadsheets die after ~11 days every single time

The one-inbox pattern: every lead source piped into a single list of humans ready to pay you

The 3-minute auto-text from your business number that turns cold form-fills into warm conversations

Missed-call text-back: the sneaky biggest revenue recovery lever for trades

Losing 2-3 jobs a month to slow response — and why master baths and whole-floor jobs make that real money

Reframing after-hours lead work as replying to warm chats instead of cold-starting from a form
Sources:
No external sources cited in this episode — conversation-based.
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Eric: ...okay so before we hit record you said "three inboxes plus voicemail plus the DMs." I want you to say that again on tape because I think every operator listening just felt something in their chest.
Marisol Trevino: Yeah. Three inboxes. Plus voicemail. Plus Instagram DMs. And honestly? Sometimes Facebook Messenger too, if somebody found the old page.
Eric: Of course.
Marisol Trevino: So it's like... a quote request comes in and it could be in any of five places, and I'm on a job site with tile dust in my hair, and my guys are texting me about a substrate issue, and by the time I sit down at night the lead is twelve hours old.
Eric: Twelve if you're lucky.
Marisol Trevino: If I'm lucky, yeah. Sometimes it's two days. And I KNOW, I know what happens after two days.
Eric: They booked somebody else.
Marisol Trevino: They booked somebody else. Or worse, they reply and they're already annoyed. Like, "oh, you finally got back to me." And now I'm starting the conversation from behind.
Eric: Yeah. And for people who don't know you, tell them what the business is.
Marisol Trevino: Sure. So I run Sabinal Tile and Stone. We're in San Antonio. Flooring, backsplash, showers, a little bit of countertop work when it makes sense. Five of us total. I started it nine years ago after I left a commercial GC where I was, um, mostly project managing.
Eric: Nine years. That's not a startup, that's a business.
Marisol Trevino: It's a business. And that's the thing that was killing me. Because I'd built the business, but the front door of the business was falling apart.
Eric: Say more about that.
Marisol Trevino: Like, everything past the sale? Dialed. We show up when we say. The install is clean. Our repeat and referral is honestly what's kept us alive. But getting somebody FROM a form fill or a DM to a scheduled walkthrough? That was chaos.
Eric: And you told me you thought you were losing what, two or three jobs a month to it?
Marisol Trevino: At least. And these aren't small jobs. A backsplash is one thing but a master bath, a whole first floor... that's real money walking out the door because nobody hit reply fast enough.
Eric: Okay. So can I diagnose for a second? Because I don't think your problem is what you think it is.
Marisol Trevino: Go ahead.
Eric: You think your problem is speed. Right? "I need to reply faster."
Marisol Trevino: Yeah.
Eric: Your problem is actually surface area. You have too many surfaces where a lead can land, and no single place where they all show up as ONE list of humans who want to give you money.
Marisol Trevino: Yeah. When you say it like that.
Eric: And so every time you sit down, you're not working a list. You're doing a scavenger hunt.
Marisol Trevino: That's exactly it. That's exactly what it feels like. And I tried, I mean, twice I tried to fix it with a shared spreadsheet.
Eric: How'd that go.
Marisol Trevino: How do you think it went.
Eric: I know how it went. I just want you to say it.
Marisol Trevino: It worked for like eleven days. Both times. Almost exactly. And then we'd get slammed on a job and nobody's updating the sheet, and then it's just... a graveyard of half-entered leads and I'm the only one still typing in it, and then I stop too.
Eric: Right. Because a spreadsheet is a place you have to REMEMBER to go. And when you're busy, the thing you forget first is the thing that isn't yelling at you.
Marisol Trevino: Yes.
Eric: Okay, so let me tell you what we did for our agency, and honestly what we now set up for a lot of the trades clients we work with, because your situation is basically the standard situation.
Marisol Trevino: Please.
Eric: So we run everything, and I mean everything, on one all-in-one ops platform. I'm not going to name it because it doesn't matter, there's a few good ones and the specific one is less important than the shape of it.
Marisol Trevino: Okay.
Eric: The shape of it is: every lead source pipes into one inbox. Your website form, your Facebook lead ad, your Instagram DMs, your Google Business messages, your missed calls, your voicemails transcribed. One inbox. One list. One place.
Marisol Trevino: One place.
Eric: One place. And the SECOND a lead hits that inbox, an automation fires. Not you. The system.
Marisol Trevino: What does the automation do.
Eric: For your business I'd do something like this. Inside of, call it, three minutes, that lead gets a text. Not an email. A text. From your business number. Something like, "Hey, this is Marisol at Sabinal, saw your request about the backsplash, are you still looking? I can get you on the calendar this week for a walkthrough."
Marisol Trevino: Within three minutes.
Eric: Within three minutes. And here's the thing, that text isn't you typing. That text goes out whether you're on a scaffold, whether you're asleep, whether you're at your kid's game.
Marisol Trevino: Okay.
Eric: And when they reply, THAT'S when a human gets pulled in. But now the human, you or whoever, is replying to a warm conversation, not cold-starting from a form fill.
Marisol Trevino: That's a different job.
Eric: That's a completely different job. That's the job you can actually do at nine pm on the couch instead of dreading it.
Marisol Trevino: And all five sources go into the same inbox? Even the DMs?
Eric: Even the DMs. Even the missed calls. The missed call one is honestly the sneaky big one for trades.
Marisol Trevino: Say more.
Eric: So the platform watches your business line. If somebody calls and you don't pick up, it fires a text back to them within, like, thirty seconds. "Hey, sorry we missed you, this is the fastest way to reach us, what's going ...
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July 07, 2026Delgado Hardwood & Tile: How Tucson Contractors Stop Losing Invoices
A Tucson tile and hardwood pro realizes he forgot to invoice a $1,500 bathroom re-tile — and it's not the first time this year. We diagnose the real problem and prescribe a one-screen fix for trades businesses buried in text-message leads.
In this episode:
Delgado Hardwood and Tile: 11 years in Tucson, 4-person crew, residential hardwood, tile, and repair work

The $1,500 re-tile a repeat customer had to remind him to bill for

Why the install side runs tight but everything before and after leaks money

The "memory problem": leads split across head, phone texts, and a coffee-stained notebook

Why small $800–$1,500 repair jobs carry the highest margin per hour — and get lost most

Diagnosing chaos: not a sales or delivery problem, a single-source-of-truth problem

The one-inbox fix: texts, quotes, invoices, calendar, and follow-ups on one screen

Automated polite payment nudges after 7 days, in your voice, from your number

The "one door" rule: route every new lead into the pipeline before you swing a hammer
Sources:
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Eric: ...so wait, back up. You told me on the phone last week you found a job you did in April that you never billed for. Like, never sent an invoice.
Marcus Delgado: Yeah. Fifteen hundred bucks. Bathroom re-tile for a repeat customer, and I only caught it because she called asking if I could come do her kitchen next.
Eric: And how'd she bring it up?
Marcus Delgado: She goes, "hey, I never got the invoice for the last one, do you want me to just add it to the new one?" Man. She was being NICE about it.
Eric: She was doing your accounting for you.
Marcus Delgado: She was doing my accounting for me. And that's not the first time, Eric. That's like... the third time this year I've caught one. Which means how many did I NOT catch?
Eric: Right. That's the scary part. Okay, so for people who don't know you yet, give me the short version. What do you do, where, how big is the crew?
Marcus Delgado: Yeah, so, Delgado Hardwood and Tile, we're out of Tucson. Been swinging a pull bar for eleven years, four guys on the crew now. We do hardwood installs, tile, some repair work, mostly residential, some small commercial.
Eric: And the install side of the business, that runs clean?
Marcus Delgado: Install side is TIGHT. My guys know what they're doing, we hit our timelines, we don't leave a mess. The job site is not the problem.
Eric: The problem is everything that happens before and after the job site.
Marcus Delgado: Everything before and after. Estimates, invoices, follow-ups, the "hey did you get my quote" texts, the "when can you start" texts... it lives in my phone and in a notebook in the truck.
Eric: A physical notebook.
Marcus Delgado: A physical notebook. With coffee on it.
Eric: Okay.
Marcus Delgado: And look, I'm not proud of it. But when I'm on my knees setting tile for ten hours, the last thing I want to do at eight at night is sit down and reconcile who owes me what.
Eric: Of course not. So let me play back what I'm hearing, because I want to make sure I diagnose this right before we talk about any fix.
Marcus Delgado: Please.
Eric: You don't have a sales problem. You've got more work than you can handle.
Marcus Delgado: Correct.
Eric: You don't have a delivery problem. The crew delivers.
Marcus Delgado: Correct.
Eric: What you have is a MEMORY problem. Your business's memory lives across three places... your head, your phone's text threads, and a notebook. And none of those three talk to each other.
Marcus Delgado: Huh.
Eric: So a small repair job comes in on Tuesday as a text, you go do it Thursday, and by Friday it's buried under twelve other texts and your brain has moved on.
Marcus Delgado: That is EXACTLY what happens. Especially the small stuff. The eight hundred, twelve hundred, fifteen hundred dollar jobs.
Eric: Which, by the way, is where most of your margin probably lives.
Marcus Delgado: Oh a hundred percent. The little repair calls are where I actually make money per hour. The big installs pay the crew.
Eric: Right. So you're leaking money on your highest-margin work.
Marcus Delgado: When you say it like that.
Eric: I'm not trying to make you feel bad. I'm trying to get to the fix. Because the fix is not "try harder to remember."
Marcus Delgado: Yeah, I've tried that. Doesn't work.
Eric: Nobody's going to out-discipline a shoebox of notebook pages. You need the shoebox to go away.
Marcus Delgado: Okay. So what did you do? Because you told me you had the same thing at the agency.
Eric: Different shape, same problem. We had leads coming in from a website form, from Instagram DMs, from referrals my business partner would get at events, from an email inbox nobody was really watching...
Marcus Delgado: That's me but with texts.
Eric: That's you but with texts. And what we did, and what I'd have you do, is stop trying to organize the chaos and instead funnel everything into one place. One inbox. One pipeline. One source of truth.
Marcus Delgado: What does that actually look like day-to-day though? Because I've heard "get a CRM" for like five years and every time I look at one it feels like it was built for a software company, not a guy with a tile saw.
Eric: Yeah, and that's fair. Most of them are. What we run our agency on is an all-in-one ops platform... I'm being vague on purpose because we white-label it, but the shape of it is what matters. It's basically your text messages, your email, your quotes, your invoices, your calendar, and your follow-up reminders, all sitting in one screen.
Marcus Delgado: One screen.
Eric: One screen. So when Mrs. Whoever texts you about her bathroom, that text shows up in the platform as a lead. You tap it, you send her a quote from the same screen, when she says yes it moves to "scheduled," when the job's done it moves to "invoice sent," and if she hasn't paid in seven days it nudges her automatically.
Marcus Delgado: Wait. It nudges her automatically?
Eric: Automatically. Polite little "hey, just a reminder" text, from your number, in your voice, that you wrote once.
Marcus Delgado: Dude.
Eric: And more importantly, YOU can look at that one screen on Sunday night with a beer and see every single open job. Nothing's hiding.
Marcus Delgado: That's the part that gets me. The "nothing's hiding" part.
Eric: Because right now, what's hiding is money you already earned.
Marcus Delgado: Yeah.
Eric: Now, I want to be honest about something. The platform is not magic. You still have to put stuff in it. If you keep taking jobs by text and never logging them, it doesn't help you.
Marcus Delgado: Right, garbage in, garbage out.
Eric: But here's the trick we figured out, and this...
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July 02, 2026Stop Losing Estimates: Follow-Up Systems for Home Services Pros
Marcy Halverson runs Halverson Tile and Flooring out of Eau Claire, Wisconsin — two crews, eleven years in, twenty estimates a month. She's closing maybe six. We dig into why, and it's not what she thinks.
In this episode:
The three-notebook problem: why "just be more disciplined" is the wrong diagnosis for home services follow-up
The 48-hour rule: warm leads with torn-up kitchens don't wait — they hire whoever calls back first
One list, one pipeline: consolidating website forms, missed calls, Facebook DMs, and referrals into a single stage-based view
Automated aging alerts: text nudges to you (and optionally to the customer) when a quote sits too long
Writing the follow-up text once, in your voice, on a Sunday night so it never sounds like a robot
Missed-call-to-text automation: catching the voicemail and firing a reply inside a minute
Letting the system handle boring follow-ups and tapping the human back in the moment a real conversation starts
Handling the "we'll think about it till spring" leads without letting them fall off the pad
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Eric: So Marcy, twenty estimates a month. Walk me through what happens after you leave the driveway.
Marcy Halverson: Honestly? I get back in the truck, I write the number on a yellow pad, and I tell myself I'll call them Thursday.
Eric: And Thursday comes.
Marcy Halverson: Thursday comes and I'm already on another job in Menomonie, and the yellow pad is in the OTHER truck.
Eric: Of course it is.
Marcy Halverson: I'm not kidding. I have three different notebooks. One in the shop, one in my truck, one in my purse. My husband thinks it's a personality flaw.
Eric: Okay, so for folks just tuning in, tell them what you do.
Marcy Halverson: I own Halverson Tile and Flooring. We're out of Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Been at it eleven years now. Two install crews, mostly residential, some light commercial when the GCs behave themselves.
Eric: Fair.
Marcy Halverson: I do all the estimates myself. Homeowner calls, I drive out, I measure, I talk them through material, I leave a quote. That part I'm good at.
Eric: I believe it.
Marcy Halverson: It's the AFTER. The follow-up. That's where I'm bleeding money and I know it.
Eric: Give me a number. Not dollars. Just... out of twenty estimates a month, how many do you think you close?
Marcy Halverson: If I had to be honest? Maybe six. Maybe seven on a good month.
Eric: And how many of the ones you lose, do you think you lost because somebody else called them back first?
Marcy Halverson: Most of them. That's the part that kills me. It's not that they went with somebody cheaper. It's that they went with somebody who PICKED UP THE PHONE.
Eric: Right. And here's the thing that nobody says out loud. In your world, in home services, if you don't get back to a warm lead inside about 48 hours, they're gone. Not because they hate you. Because their kitchen is torn up and they need to move.
Marcy Halverson: They need to move. Yes. Thank you.
Eric: So let me diagnose this a little, because I don't think your problem is what you think it is.
Marcy Halverson: Okay.
Eric: You think your problem is discipline. You think if you were just a little more organized, a little more type-A, you'd solve this.
Marcy Halverson: I mean... yeah.
Eric: It's not that. Your problem is that you don't have a single place where a lead lives from the moment they call you to the moment they either sign or say no.
Marcy Halverson: Huh.
Eric: The yellow pad in truck one, the notebook in truck two, the voicemails on your phone, the texts, the Facebook messages... every one of those is a separate list. And no human on earth can keep six lists in sync while ALSO running two crews.
Marcy Halverson: When you say it like that I sound insane.
Eric: You sound like every operator I've ever talked to. Genuinely.
Marcy Halverson: Okay, that helps.
Eric: So let's talk about what we actually did with a client who looked a lot like you. Different trade, same shape of problem.
Marcy Halverson: Okay.
Eric: We put everything, and I mean everything, into the all-in-one ops platform we run our agency on. One place. Every lead, no matter where it came from, lands in the same pipeline.
Marcy Halverson: Facebook, phone call, referral, all of it?
Eric: All of it. The website form goes in. The missed call on the business line goes in. Somebody DMs the Facebook page, it goes in. There's one list. That's the whole trick.
Marcy Halverson: One list.
Eric: One list. And every lead has a stage. New. Estimate scheduled. Estimate given. Follow-up one. Follow-up two. Won. Lost.
Marcy Halverson: And you can SEE where they all are.
Eric: You can see it on your phone at a red light. That's the point.
Marcy Halverson: Okay.
Eric: Now here's where it gets good for you specifically. The 48-hour thing.
Marcy Halverson: Yeah.
Eric: The platform can watch the clock for you. The moment you move a lead into "estimate given," it starts a timer. If you haven't moved that lead forward in, let's say, 36 hours, it pings you. Text on your phone. "Hey, Marcy, the Johnson quote is aging."
Marcy Halverson: Wait. It TEXTS me?
Eric: It texts you. Or it sends a text to the customer, from your business number, that sounds like you. Whichever you want. A lot of our folks do both.
Marcy Halverson: What does the text to the customer sound like? Because I don't want it to sound like a robot. That's worse than nothing.
Eric: That's the right instinct. So you write it once, in your voice. Something like, "Hey, it's Marcy at Halverson. Just circling back on the quote I left you Tuesday, any questions I can answer?" That's it. Short. Sounds like a human. Because it IS you, you just wrote it on a Sunday night in your pajamas one time.
Marcy Halverson: That's the only time I have.
Eric: I know. And that's the point. You do the writing ONCE.
Marcy Halverson: Okay so walk me through a real one. Somebody calls me tomorrow morning.
Eric: Sure. Phone rings. You're on a job, you can't grab it. Goes to voicemail. The platform catches the missed call, fires off an automatic text within about a minute. "Hey, this is Marcy at Halverson, sorry I missed you, what's the project?"
Marcy Halverson: And they text back.
Eric: Most of them do. And now that text conversation lives in the platform. Not in your personal phone where it gets buried under your sister sending you TikToks.
Marcy Halverson: Guilty.
Eric: You schedule the estimate right in the same place. When you show up at the house, the lead's already there. You take the measurements, you punch in the quote total, you move them to "estimate given." Clock starts.
Marcy Halverson: And if I forget about them.
Eric: You WILL forget about them. That'...
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11min
June 30, 2026Stop Salon No-Shows: Deposits, Auto-Reminders & One Ops Platform
A three-chair salon owner in Eau Claire, Wisconsin is bleeding six chair-hours a week to no-shows and last-minute reschedules. We dig into why a text-and-pencil booking system guarantees the problem, and how a single ops platform fixes it.
In this episode:
Why "six hours a week" of no-shows is really a whole-day rearrangement problem, not just lost revenue

The tell that you're already planning for no-shows: booking in pencil

Why a group-text photo of the paper book is not a calendar system for your stylists

The real diagnosis: zero friction at the booking step means zero cost to break the appointment

Why stitching together a booking app + Square + reminders fails, and why one platform wins

The deposit loop: text-to-link, real availability, $20 (or full-service) deposit to confirm

Why deposits don't lose loyal clients — they filter for the ones who respect your time

Self-serve rescheduling inside your rules (e.g. 24-hour window) so you stop playing phone tag mid-color

The deeper win: standardizing a process that used to live entirely in the owner's head
Sources:
No external sources cited in this episode — conversation-based case study.
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Full transcript
Eric: ...okay so wait, back up. Six hours. Six hours a WEEK you're losing to no-shows?
Marcy Halverson: At least. Probably more if I'm being honest with myself. I just stopped counting because it made me want to cry.
Eric: And this is just... people booking and not showing up?
Marcy Halverson: Booking and not showing up, or texting me at like 9pm the night before. "Hey hon, something came up, can we move it?" And then they ghost on the reschedule.
Eric: Oof.
Marcy Halverson: Yeah.
Eric: Okay. For people listening, tell them what you do, where you are, like... set the scene.
Marcy Halverson: Sure. So I own a little three-chair salon in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Opened it eleven years ago after I left a chain place downtown. It's me and two other stylists, we rent the chairs, and we've got a really loyal client base. Like, I know my people. I know their kids' names.
Eric: That's the dream, honestly.
Marcy Halverson: It IS the dream. Until the booking part. The booking part is a nightmare.
Eric: Walk me through it. How are people booking with you right now?
Marcy Halverson: Text. It's all text. They text my cell, I look at the paper book on the front desk, I text them back a time, they say yes, I write it in pencil.
Eric: Pencil.
Marcy Halverson: Pencil. Because half of them are gonna move it.
Eric: Okay that's actually a tell. You're already planning for the no-show before they've even confirmed.
Marcy Halverson: I never thought about it like that but... yeah.
Eric: And the other stylists, how do they see the book?
Marcy Halverson: Group text. I take a picture of the page and send it in the morning.
Eric: A picture. Of the page.
Marcy Halverson: I know how it sounds.
Eric: No no no, I'm not judging. I'm actually impressed it works at all. But here's what I want to dig into. You said six chair-hours a week. What does that mean to you, in your gut?
Marcy Halverson: It means I'm working a Saturday I didn't need to work. It means I'm telling my daughter I can't come to her thing because I'm trying to make up the cut I lost on Tuesday.
Eric: Right.
Marcy Halverson: It's not just money. It's the WHOLE day getting rearranged because Brenda decided Tuesday wasn't her day.
Eric: Okay. So let me play this back to you, because I think the diagnosis is actually different than what you think it is.
Marcy Halverson: Okay.
Eric: You think the problem is no-shows. The problem is actually that there's no friction at the booking step. Like... a text is the same amount of effort as breathing.
Marcy Halverson: Yeah.
Eric: When something costs nothing to set up, it costs nothing to break. You haven't asked your clients to put any skin in the game.
Marcy Halverson: Okay yeah, that lands.
Eric: And then on top of that, you've got no automated reminder. So even the people who genuinely forgot, you have no system catching them.
Marcy Halverson: Right. I mean, I try to text the day before but if I've got somebody in the chair...
Eric: You're not gonna stop a color to send a reminder. Of course not.
Marcy Halverson: Right.
Eric: Okay so here's what we did with a salon owner I worked with last year, very similar setup. Smaller town, loyal base, same paper-book situation.
Marcy Halverson: Okay.
Eric: We put her on the all-in-one ops platform we run our agency on. And I want to be clear, I'm not pitching a specific tool here, there's a few that do this. But the category matters. You want ONE thing that holds the calendar, the texts, the deposits, and the reminders. Not four apps stitched together.
Marcy Halverson: That's my fear with this stuff. I downloaded a booking app once and it didn't talk to my Square and I just... gave up.
Eric: That's the most common story I hear. People try a point solution, it doesn't connect to the other point solution, they bail. So the move is one platform that does the whole loop.
Marcy Halverson: Okay.
Eric: Here's the loop. Client texts your business number, same number you already use, but now it routes into the platform. They get a link. Link opens your real calendar with real availability. They pick a slot.
Marcy Halverson: Mm-hm.
Eric: To confirm the slot, they put down a deposit. Could be twenty bucks, could be the full service, your call. That's the friction we were missing.
Marcy Halverson: And what if they don't want to?
Eric: Then they don't book. And that's okay.
Marcy Halverson: That's the part I get nervous about. I don't want to lose people.
Eric: I hear that a lot. Here's what actually happens. The people who were always gonna show up? They don't care. Twenty bucks toward their color, fine. The people who push back on the deposit are statistically the same people who were gonna no-show anyway.
Marcy Halverson: Huh.
Eric: You're not losing clients. You're filtering for the ones who respect your time.
Marcy Halverson: Okay. Keep going.
Eric: So they book, deposit's down. Now the platform sends an automatic text the day before. Another one two hours before. If they need to reschedule, there's a link right in the text. They self-serve. You don't touch your phone.
Marcy Halverson: Wait. They reschedule themselves?
Eric: They reschedule themselves. Within your rules. You set the window. Like, "you can move it up to 24 hours before, after that the deposit's gone."
Marcy Halverson: Oh that's... okay that's actually huge. Because right now I'm the bottleneck. They text me, I text back, we play tag for two days.
Eric: Exact...
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June 25, 2026Northshore Kitchens: Stop Losing Warm Quote Leads (Marcy's CRM Fix)
Marcy runs a tile and kitchen crew and keeps losing warm leads after the in-home quote. We diagnose the gap between the quote visit and day seven, and lay out the simple ops stack that plugs the leak without making her sound like a robot.
In this episode:
Why losing a dozen kitchens a spring is a memory problem, not a lead problem
The real leak: spiral notebook in the truck + quotes texted from a personal cell
One screen for texts, missed calls, website forms, and Facebook messages with source tags
Scheduled follow-up texts on day 2, day 5, and day 10 written once in your own voice
Missed call text-back that fires within 30 seconds while your hands are in thinset
A drag-and-drop pipeline view: new lead, quote scheduled, quote sent, follow-up, won, lost
Keeping the human part (work boots, talking about the dog) while automating the reminders
Why discipline can't beat a paper notebook acting as a CRM
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Full transcript
Eric: ...so a dozen kitchens. This spring alone.
Marcy Halvorsen: At least. Maybe more, honestly. Those are just the ones I know about because the homeowner told me, "Hey Marcy, we really liked you, but we went with somebody else."
Eric: Ouch.
Marcy Halvorsen: Yeah. And the worst part is, every single one of those, I had already been to their house. I'd measured. I'd talked tile with them for like an hour.
Eric: So these aren't cold leads. These are people who already let you in the door.
Marcy Halvorsen: Exactly. Warm. WARM warm. And then I just... lose them.
Eric: Walk me through what happens after you leave the driveway. Like, literally, what do you do with that lead?
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay so, I've got my notebook. Spiral bound, beat up, lives in the truck. I write down the measurements, the budget range if they gave me one, what they're picking between. Sometimes I sketch the room.
Eric: Sure.
Marcy Halvorsen: Then I get back to the shop, and if I'm not on another job, I text them the quote. From my phone. My personal phone.
Eric: Your personal phone.
Marcy Halvorsen: I know.
Eric: And then?
Marcy Halvorsen: And then... that's kind of it? Like, I mean to follow up. I always mean to. But Tuesday I'm doing a backsplash in Hermantown, Wednesday a supplier didn't deliver, Thursday my installer calls in sick, and by the next Monday I genuinely cannot remember if I sent the quote or just thought about sending it.
Eric: Right.
Marcy Halvorsen: And then three weeks later somebody else has their floor.
Eric: Okay. So here's the thing I want to name, because I think you already know it, but it'll help to say it out loud.
Marcy Halvorsen: Go.
Eric: You don't have a lead problem. You have a memory problem.
Marcy Halvorsen: Yeah.
Eric: You're generating plenty of opportunities. You're great in the home. People LIKE you. That's the hardest part of the funnel and you've already nailed it.
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay.
Eric: The leak is between the quote visit and day seven. That's the whole gap.
Marcy Halvorsen: That's exactly the gap.
Eric: And the reason it's leaking is because the system holding those leads is a notebook in a truck and a text thread on a phone that also has your kids' soccer schedule on it.
Marcy Halvorsen: And the grocery list. And my mom.
Eric: And your mom. So when Thursday gets chaotic, the notebook loses. Every time. It's not a discipline problem, Marcy.
Marcy Halvorsen: I keep telling myself it is.
Eric: It's not. You're disciplined enough to run a crew for eleven years. You're not going to out-discipline a paper notebook into being a CRM.
Marcy Halvorsen: Fair.
Eric: So let me tell you what we did with another trades operator, similar size to you, and then we can talk about whether any of it fits.
Marcy Halvorsen: Please.
Eric: Same shape of problem. Quoting in the home, losing the thread after. What we set up was, basically, one place where every lead lands the second it exists. One inbox. One pipeline. One phone number that isn't her personal cell.
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay.
Eric: We use this all-in-one ops platform that we run our agency on. I'm not gonna get into the brand because honestly the brand matters less than the shape of it. What it does is it pulls your text messages, your missed calls, your website form fills, your Facebook messages, all of it, into one screen.
Marcy Halvorsen: One screen.
Eric: One screen.
Marcy Halvorsen: I would cry.
Eric: A lot of people do, actually. In a good way.
Marcy Halvorsen: So if somebody texts me, and somebody else fills out a form on my website...
Eric: They're both sitting there. Same place. With a little tag that says where they came from.
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay.
Eric: And then the second piece, which is the one that would have saved you those kitchens, is the follow-up doesn't depend on you remembering.
Marcy Halvorsen: How does that work.
Eric: So when you finish a quote visit, you open it up, you tap "quote sent," and the platform takes over from there. Day two it sends a text. "Hey, just checking you got the quote, any questions?" In your voice, you wrote it once. Day five, different message. Day ten, different again.
Marcy Halvorsen: And those go from the business number, not my cell.
Eric: Business number. Which, by the way, when they reply, the reply also lands in that same one screen. So you see it.
Marcy Halvorsen: Wait, so I'm still the one talking to them?
Eric: You're still the one talking to them. That's important. This isn't a bot pretending to be Marcy. This is Marcy's words, scheduled, so that when Thursday explodes, the follow-up still happens.
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay. Okay, that's the part I was nervous about. I don't want to sound like a robot, my whole thing is I show up at the house in my work boots and we talk about their dog.
Eric: And you should keep doing that. Don't change that. That's why they like you. The automation is just making sure you don't ghost them on day six because a pallet of subway tile got delivered to the wrong job site.
Marcy Halvorsen: That happened last week.
Eric: Of course it did.
Marcy Halvorsen: Okay so... one screen for everything, and a follow-up sequence that runs whether I remember or not.
Eric: That's the spine of it. Then there's a couple smaller pieces that matter a lot for your specific situation.
Marcy Halvorsen: Tell me.
Eric: One: missed call text back. You're on a job, hands in thinset, phone rings, you can't grab it. The platform sees the missed call, sends a text within like thirty seconds. "Hey, this is Marcy at Northshore, sorry I missed you, I'm on a job. What can I help you with?"
Marcy Halvorsen: That alone.
Eric: That alone. Because ...
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12min
June 23, 2026Tile Contractor Quote Follow-Up: Stop Losing Kitchens to Slow Replies
Marisol Tavares of Tavares Tile and Stone in Worcester joins Eric to diagnose why a dozen kitchen jobs slipped away this spring — and why the fix isn't pricing, it's follow-up. They map out the exact workflow that turns "into the void" quotes into signed deposits.
In this episode:
Why quotes sent from the truck sit unread for 2-3 weeks and what that costs a six-person crew

The "contractor dinner" problem: cold ziti, no inbox check, and twenty open loops at bedtime

Reframing follow-up as its own job — separate from measuring, cutting, and installing

Consolidating texts, emails, voicemails (transcribed), and web leads into one inbox

The 8-day automated sequence: 2-hour text, day-2 nudge, day-3 photo email, day-5 check-in, day-8 "should I close this out?"

Why the soft close-out message works — it gives homeowners permission to say yes or no

Speed and consistency beat clever copywriting every time on contractor quotes

How replies automatically pause the sequence and hand the conversation back to a human
Sources:
No external sources cited in this episode.
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Full transcript
Eric: ...okay so wait, back up. You said two to three weeks before anyone even LOOKS at the quote?
Marisol Tavares: Yeah. I mean, sometimes longer. I send it from the truck, right? I'm sitting in someone's driveway, I've just measured a kitchen backsplash, I punch the numbers into my phone, hit send, and then... it just goes into the void.
Eric: Into the void.
Marisol Tavares: Into the void. Because then I drive to the next job, and the next job, and by the time I'm home it's eight o'clock and I'm eating cold ziti over the sink.
Eric: The contractor dinner.
Marisol Tavares: The contractor dinner, exactly. So who's checking the inbox? Nobody. My guys are great with a wet saw, they are NOT great with email.
Eric: Right.
Marisol Tavares: And I'll be honest with you, Eric, this spring I think I lost a dozen kitchens. Minimum. Real kitchens. Like, full backsplash, sometimes the floor too.
Eric: A dozen.
Marisol Tavares: At least. And it's not because my price was wrong. It's because some other guy called the lady back on Tuesday and I called her back the following Monday.
Eric: And by Monday she's already picked tile with him.
Marisol Tavares: She's already picked tile. She's already at the showroom. I'm cooked.
Eric: Yeah. So before we get into what to do about it, just say what the business is so people have the picture.
Marisol Tavares: Sure. Tavares Tile and Stone, out of Worcester. I've got six guys plus me. We do flooring, backsplashes, the occasional shower surround if I like the customer. Been at it about eleven years on my own, before that I worked for my dad.
Eric: General contractor?
Marisol Tavares: General contractor, yeah. Old school. He still thinks a fax machine is a productivity tool.
Marisol Tavares: I love him.
Eric: Okay so here's what I want to say, and I say this with love because I've watched a LOT of trades businesses do exactly what you just described.
Marisol Tavares: Mhm.
Eric: You don't have a pricing problem. You don't have a quality problem. You have a follow-up problem. And follow-up is its own job.
Marisol Tavares: Yeah.
Eric: Right? Like, the part where you measure the kitchen, that's a job. The part where you cut the tile, that's a job. The part where you keep talking to that homeowner from "I sent a quote" until "I have your deposit"... that is ALSO a job. And right now nobody on your crew has that job.
Marisol Tavares: Nobody. It's just sort of... assumed it'll happen.
Eric: And assumed work doesn't happen.
Marisol Tavares: It doesn't happen. I know that. In my brain I know that.
Eric: So let me tell you what we did at the agency, because we had the same exact thing, just different flavor. We'd do a discovery call, send a proposal, and then it would sit. Because I was the salesperson AND the one doing the work AND the one answering the support emails.
Marisol Tavares: That's me.
Eric: That's everybody who starts something. So a couple years ago we moved everything onto one all-in-one ops platform. I won't bore you with the name, it's the platform we run the agency on. But the key thing is, every lead, every quote, every text, every email, every voicemail, it all lives in ONE inbox.
Marisol Tavares: One inbox.
Eric: One inbox. So when a homeowner texts you back at nine at night saying "hey what about a darker grout," that text shows up in the same place as the email she sent on Monday and the voicemail she left on Tuesday.
Marisol Tavares: Wait, even the voicemail?
Eric: Even the voicemail. Transcribed.
Marisol Tavares: Okay. That alone would change my life.
Eric: Right? Because right now where does that voicemail live?
Marisol Tavares: On my phone. Which is in my truck. Which is at the shop. Which I left at five.
Eric: Gone.
Marisol Tavares: Gone.
Eric: So step one is just consolidation. Get every channel a homeowner can reach you on into one place. Step two, and this is the one that actually fixes your dozen kitchens, is automated follow-up the moment a quote goes out.
Marisol Tavares: Okay, what does that look like?
Eric: So when you hit send on that quote in the driveway, the platform fires off a text two hours later. Just a short one. "Hey Linda, this is Marisol, just making sure the quote came through okay, let me know if you have any questions on the grout or the timeline."
Marisol Tavares: Which I would send if I remembered.
Eric: Which you would send if you remembered, exactly. But you don't, because you're measuring the next kitchen.
Marisol Tavares: Right.
Eric: Then the next day, if she hasn't replied, another short one. Day three, an email with a couple of photos of a similar job you did, you know, "thought you might like to see how this one came out." Day five, a quick check-in. Day eight, a soft "should I close this one out or are you still considering?"
Marisol Tavares: Wait, that last one, the "should I close this out," that one I bet works.
Eric: That one works. That one works really, really well. Because it gives her permission to either say yes or to say no, and you stop bleeding mental energy on a maybe.
Marisol Tavares: Yeah. Because right now my brain is carrying twenty maybes around all day.
Eric: Twenty open loops.
Marisol Tavares: Twenty open loops. And then I can't sleep.
Eric: Right. And here's the thing, Marisol, this is the part people miss. None of those messages have to be fancy. They have to be FAST and they have to be CONSISTENT. The homeowner who picks your competitor isn't picking him because his texts are better written. She's picking him because he texted her on Tuesday and you didn't text her until the following Monday.
Marisol Tavares: Speed.
Eric:...
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