Xiao Han is an artist and curator based in Wuhan and Saskatoon. Using photography, Han’s research-creation projects investigate diaspora, identity, gender issues and cross-cultural interpretation. As an independent curator, Han has curated numerous exhibitions collectively with artists and art institutions in Canada and China. Han's public art "Yee Clun’s Lost Story'' was permanently installed, in the summer of 2017, in Regina Arts Park. This project reflects the lost story of immigrant and restaurant owner Yee Clun in Regina in 1924 when he challenged the racist "Saskatchewan's White Women's Labour Law ''.

Xiao Han (Madam X) is an artist, curator and writer. With photography, Han’s artwork focuses on sexual exploration through the BDSM culture. Han organizes an online-based community with BDSM-Art activities. With this community, Han does interviews and story writing to share experiences of unique interests.

Our conversation was recorded in Hamilton within Treaty 3 territory on the ancestral land of the Haudenosaunee and Anishinaabe nations under the Dish With One Spoon wampum agreement.

Show Notes 

 Xiao’s work 

 TRU BA Visual Arts Photography  

 Meera Singh 

 The One 

 Yee Clun: The Lost Story 

 Cindy Sherman 

 Gregory Crewdson 

 Lost Stories Project 

 Value Village

 Ronald Rudin

 OCAD MFA Criticism and Curation Practice

 CARFAC

 Madam X Conversations Blog

 Nobuyoshi Araki

 Rope Art Shibari

 BDSM 

 BDSM Candles / Wax Play 

 LGBTQ

 Abuse vs BDSM 

 Foreplay 

 Forbidden Fruit 

 Foucault 

 Pinhole camera 

 Jon Rafman 

Emma Watson Body Pillow (she wasn’t naked my bad!) 

Anime Body Pillows 

 Pillow princess 

 Submissive Feminism 

Podcast Recommendation 

 Care to Explain Yourself? Code Switch

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Audio editing for Hopping the Fence by Emily Reimer. Original artwork by Alex Gregory, and original music by Jessica Price Eisner.

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