Chat was a great prototype. It’s a terrible product.
In this episode, Yuval sits down with CopilotKit co-founder Atai to unpack why most agentic apps stall at “chat + vibes”, and why the real bottleneck in production AI isn’t models or reasoning. It’s UI.
They break down what actually changed in the last year, why agents fundamentally break the request-response paradigm, and how a new generation of protocols is emerging to connect agents to real users. The conversation covers:
AG-UI, Model Context Protocol (and MCP Apps) and Agent-to-Agent (A2A) ProtocolsThe messy (but inevitable) transition from text-only chat to component-rich, voice-enabled, agentic applications.If you’ve built an agent that works but users still bounce, this episode explains why, and what the new “glue layer” of AI UIs is starting to look like.