In this episode, I sit down with my best friend Gissell, who you’ve heard from before, for one of our unfiltered yap sessions. No script, no plan, just two friends talking about the real and raw parts of walking with the Lord.

We cover it all: grief, backsliding, performance mindset, the struggle to believe God is good, His unshakable love, sin, grace, and so much more. It’s honest, sometimes heavy, sometimes light, but always rooted in our desire to keep chasing Him through it all.

If you need a conversation that feels like sitting with friends who get it, this one’s for you.