Yoram Hazony talks with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, author of “Heretic” and "Prey." They discuss immigration policy, the nation state, the clash between the norms of free societies and those of Muslim society, the difference between liberal democracy and conservative democracy, whether a reformation is possible in Islam, and her relationship with her Muslim family and its traditions.

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