Yoram Hazony talks with Ryzsard Legutko, a leader of the Polish Law and Justice Party and and author of “The Demon in Democracy: Totalitarian Temptations of Free Societies.” They discuss conservative democracy in Poland, the relationship between Communism and liberalism, between Merkel and the independent nations of Europe, the rise of woke politics in the America and Europe, his new book “The Cunning of Freedom,” and more.

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