Plug In And Play is a show about videogames. It's hosted by Wayne Madden and Steven Fairbairn. But it's also a freeform expression of podcasting - the insane rambling is all improv - and very little about the show is known before the two men begin recording.

On this episode, join them for conversation about how hard games are, especially when you can't make the game easier and just enjoy it - as opposed to going home from work and throwing the controller at the wall. Plus, there's something about Michael Hepple and a little bit on Phil Collins in Grand Theft Auto. Less TikTok, more Phil Collins.

Enjoy the show, and as always, send us your comments!