Post(s) in Question Ep. 285 Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1p0bgci/from_rzensangha_nanquan_form_of_a_water_buffalo/? Link to all episodes: https://sites.libsyn.com/407831 What did we talk about?

Multiple level of meanings of Zen koans

* Zen Master traditional challenge questions: What are you doing? What is that?

* Material world level, metaphorical level, Zen doctrine level

Explaining the meaning of the Zen Bull: www.reddit.com/r/zen/wiki/bull

Why the 5 Zen bulls are NOT NOT NOT the 10 Buddhist Bulls: The invisible Bull

Nanquan [Cleary: Nahn-chwen] comparing himself to a bull in other cases.

Zhaozhou gets called "you animal", and that means Nanquan sees him as a fellow enlightened animal.

Zen enlightenment: not Buddhist ordination, Zen enlightenment is permanent.

Koans as history. Zen Master Buddha's 600 years in India.

What we lost in the 1900's from Zazen propaganda: loss of respect/identity for the Zen monks who worked their whole lives on Zen records.

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