Zero To Travel Podcast

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  • 8 Million Ways to Happiness (Wisdom from the Heart of Japan) with Hiroko Yoda

    Can you be culturally religious without being religiously religious? What if happiness had less to do with what you believe and more to do with what you notice?

    Hiroko Yoda is a Tokyo-born author, translator and folklorist who first came to the US at 17 as an exchange student in rural Indiana. She went on to earn a master's degree in international peace and conflict resolution and co-founded AltJapan, a localization company, with her husband. A former Tokyo editor for CNN Go and a certified Shinto cultural historian, she has coauthored several books on Japanese folklore and is the author of Eight Million Ways to Happiness: Wisdom for Inspiration and Healing from the Heart of Japan.

    In this conversation, Hiroko and I talk about the Japanese idea of 8 million kami, how spirituality became part of everyday culture in Japan, and how travelers can visit Japan's shrines and temples with more understanding.

    Most of us grew up with the idea that you either believe or you don't. Hiroko offers a different way of seeing it, where Japanese spirituality and happiness grow out of a worldview that treats the sun, the wind, and even the words we speak with quiet respect. It's a worldview that shapes everything from how people eat to how they relate to nature, and it's hiding in plain sight for anyone traveling through Japan. Hiroko is honest that none of this makes life easy, which is exactly what makes her perspective feel useful.

    What's one small thing in your everyday life you could start noticing, and appreciating, a little more often? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message.

    Tune In To Learn:

    • How an exchange year in rural Indiana in the 1980s sparked a lifelong mission to build bridges between cultures
    • What the ancient concept of 8 million kami reveals about the Japanese worldview
    • Why most Japanese people struggle to answer the question "Are you religious?"
    • How a Shinto priest's definition of kami turns gratitude into a daily practice
    • How losing her mother led Hiroko back to Japan's spiritual traditions
    • What Japan's mountain ascetics, the yamabushi, can teach us about our place in nature
    • Why the Japanese words for seafood and vegetables say so much about happiness
    • How the Seven Gods of Happiness reflect Japan's radical inclusivity
    • Advice for visiting shrines and temples respectfully, plus one major Tokyo spot Hiroko calls a textbook example of Japanese spirituality
    • What a 107-year-old calligraphy master taught Hiroko about happiness and perspective
    • Resources:

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      • Eight Million Ways to Happiness
      • HirokoYoda.com
      • Japan Happiness Newsletter
      • Hiroko Yoda Instagram
      • AltJapan
      • Youth For Understanding
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        • Exploring Kyoto Japan, Creative Expression Through Street Photography, Connecting With Your Heritage Abroad with Taro Moberly
        • How A Pilgrimage Can Transform Your Life w/ Paul Barach
        • The Spiritual Journey + Travel and Creativity with Karan Bajaj
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            59 min
          • Top 7 Hidden Gems in Northern Norway with Joël Schwalenstöcker

            Norway is already known for its fjords, Northern Lights, and wide-open nature, so what makes Northern Norway an even better place to have it all to yourself?

            Joël Schwalenstöcker is a Northern Norway native who grew up in Tromsø with a German father and a French mother. For about 15 years, he has worked as a music agent, booking tours and shows for artists across Norway and Scandinavia. He is also the founder of Noraventura, which designs tailor-made trips through Norway for travelers who want to see the country beyond the usual tourist stops.

            Joël shares seven hidden gems in Northern Norway that most visitors miss, and why the region’s best-known spots have become so crowded. We also share Northern Norway travel tips on renting a car, packing for changing weather, and choosing when to go.

            Northern Norway is bigger, emptier, and wilder than most people expect, with the midnight sun in summer and the northern lights in winter shaping the rhythm of life there. It’s also a region where a short drive can change the entire feel of a trip. If you’re planning a visit, or you like the idea of seeing Northern Norway off the beaten path, this conversation gives you plenty to think about.

            Have you ever skipped the famous stop on a trip and found something you liked even better? I’d love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you’ll share by sending me an audio message.

            Tune In To Learn:

            • Why a sailing trip toward the Arctic ended with Joël’s parents settling in Northern Norway for good
            • How Northern Norway’s light, milder-than-expected climate, and freedom-to-roam traditions set it apart from the rest of the country
            • Why the same few places dominate every search and social feed, and what that does to the travel experience
            • Why the stretch of coast most people just drive through might offer the best mix of beaches and mountains in the country
            • Where you can catch a concert inside a natural cave on a remote island community that has been inhabited for thousands of years
            • What you’ll find when you turn right instead of left on a famous island chain
            • How locals near the region’s biggest city escape to sandy beaches when the sun finally comes out
            • How to trek the far northeast by following reindeer trails, close to the Russian border
            • Advice on getting around, packing for weather that changes by the hour, and timing a summer trek to avoid the region’s fiercest insects
            • How to get a real shot at the northern lights, plus one Lofoten stop worth adding to any itinerary
            • Resources:

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              • Unlisted Cheat Sheet (use code ZERO)
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              • Trænafestivalen
              • Ytri Island Retreat
              • Hov Gård
              • Varangerhalvøya National Park
              • Want More?

                • Hidden Norway: 7 Off The Beaten Path Gems You’ll Love, Popular Norwegian Concepts Worth Stealing, Trekking In Bhutan, & Living At The Crossroads of Magic & Science w/ Torunn Tronsvang from Up Norway
                • How To See The Northern Lights In Norway
                • Top 7 Hidden Gems in Oslo, Norway with Curtis Rojak of Viking Biking
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                    1 hr
                  • 5 Techniques for Relearning to Read: Opening Up New Ideas About Yourself and the World with Ann Morgan

                    What happens when the way you were taught to read stops working the moment you step outside your own culture?

                    Ann Morgan is a UK-based author, speaker, and editor best known for reading a book from every country in the world in a single year, a project she chronicled on her blog A Year of Reading the World and in her book Reading the World (published in the US as The World Between Two Covers). In her newest book, Relearning to Read: Adventures in Not-Knowing, she looks at what it actually takes to read well across cultural and linguistic lines.

                    Ann returns to walk through five techniques for relearning how to read, covering how to notice your own hidden bias, why every reader fills in a story's gaps differently, what a book's assumptions reveal about who it expects you to be, and why this should all matter to us curious travelers.

                    This conversation gets into something bigger than books: what it actually means to sit with not knowing, and why that discomfort might be exactly where the growth happens. Ann pushes back on the idea that understanding everything is the goal, and the reframe she offers reaches well beyond the page. If you've ever wondered what it actually looks like to get better at reading books from other cultures, this episode lays it out step by step.

                    What's one time you filled in a story's gaps completely differently than the writer intended? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message.

                    Tune In To Learn:

                    • Why the way Ann was taught to read stopped working once she started reading internationally
                    • How growing up in a culture that caters to you can hide how much of reading has been made easy for you
                    • Why she encourages readers to hold onto their questions instead of rushing to answer them
                    • How paying attention to what annoys you while reading can reveal a hidden bias
                    • Advice on knowing when to push through a challenging book and when to just put it down
                    • How noticing what a book explains, and what it assumes you already know, tells you who it was written for
                    • Why every reader fills in a story's gaps differently, and what that reveals about you
                    • How AI and shrinking attention spans are reshaping the future of reading and storytelling
                    • A story from Ann's recent trip to Greenland with her friend Tété-Michel Kpomassi, sixty years after his first journey there
                    • Resources:

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                      • Relearning to Read: Adventures in Not-Knowing
                      • A Year of Reading the World
                      • Ann on Instagram
                      • Reading a Book from Every Country in the World with Ann Morgan
                      • Michel the Giant: An African in Greenland
                      • Want More:

                        • Traveling While Black with Nanjala Nyabola
                        • The Geography of Bliss With Eric Weiner
                        • The Vagabond's Way: Meditations on Wanderlust, Discovery, and the Art of Travel w/ Rolf Potts
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                            1 hr 4 min
                          • Top 7 Hidden Gems: Bosnia and Herzegovina (Focus on Sarajevo) with Local Experts Nermin and Kathrin Numic

                            With centuries of layered history and some of Europe's most uncrowded natural beauty, why isn't Bosnia and Herzegovina on more travelers' radars yet? 

                            Nermin Numic grew up in Sarajevo and spent over a decade living and working abroad in South Africa and Europe, where he met his wife Kathrin, who is originally from Germany. In 2020, the couple returned to Bosnia and Herzegovina during the pandemic and decided to stay. They went on to found .Cheyf, a boutique travel agency built around the Bosnian concept of ćejf, showing travelers the local side of Sarajevo and the country beyond it. 

                            Nermin and Kathrin share seven hidden gems in Sarajevo, Bosnia, that most visitors miss, along with the history behind the city's mix of Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, and Yugoslav influences. They also talk about day trips into the surrounding mountains, must-try local food, and starting a travel business together as a couple. 

                            Sarajevo is a city where four major religions have lived side by side for centuries, where the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand helped ignite World War I, and where the Bosnian War left scars that are still part of daily conversation decades later. Nermin and Kathrin don't shy away from any of that history, but they also refuse to let it be the only story visitors hear. By the end of this episode, you'll understand why they believe this is exactly the right moment to experience it for yourself. 

                            What's a place you discovered by accident that ended up being the highlight of your trip? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message. 

                            Tune In To Learn: 

                            • Why Nermin and Kathrin decided to build their life and business in Bosnia after meeting abroad 

                              • What the Bosnian concept of ćejf means and how it shapes the way they run their tours 

                                • How Sarajevo's layout reveals itself once you leave the old town behind 

                                  • Why a quiet riverside walkway just outside the old town is worth the detour 

                                    • How a centuries-old bridge and a Viennese-style coffeehouse capture the city's cultural blend 

                                      • A thousand years of Sarajevo history, from the Bosnian kingdom through Ottoman rule, Austro-Hungarian rule, and the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand that helped spark World War I 

                                        • Why Nermin and Kathrin built their tours around food and culture instead of the Bosnian War, and how that decision paid off 

                                          • Why a mountaintop observatory and a rooftop terrace offer some of the best views in the city 

                                            • How to see one of the world's most valuable religious artifacts during a narrow weekly window 

                                              • Advice for exploring the mountains, canyons, and villages just outside Sarajevo 

                                              • Resources: 

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                                                  • .Cheyf 

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                                                    • Want More? 

                                                      • Top 5 Alternative European Destinations (to Avoid the Crowds) with Joseph Reaney 

                                                        • Hidden Norway: 7 Off The Beaten Path Gems You'll Love, Popular Norwegian Concepts Worth Stealing, Trekking In Bhutan, & Living At The Crossroads of Magic & Science w/ Torunn Tronsvang from Up Norway 

                                                          • Tbilisi Travel and Hidden Georgia Gems with Local Guide Levan Giorgadze 

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                                                                  1 hr
                                                                • Kayaking the Mangoky (Madagascar’s Longest River) + Balancing Career and Travel with Oscar Scafidi

                                                                  What does it take to become the first person ever to complete a full source-to-sea kayaking trip down Madagascar's longest river? 

                                                                  Oscar Scafidi is a history teacher, travel writer, and expedition leader who has lived and worked across more than 30 African countries since 2006. He has written guidebooks to Angola, Equatorial Guinea, and Tunisia, and holds a Guinness World Record for the first source-to-sea kayak expedition along Angola's Kwanza River. In 2022, he and a fellow expedition partner completed the first source-to-sea kayak trip along Madagascar's longest river, the Mangoky, an adventure now documented in his book and film. 

                                                                  In this episode, I talk with Oscar about his years living and working across Africa, and the story behind his recent Madagascar kayaking adventure. 

                                                                  This conversation moves between two very different worlds: the classroom, where Oscar spends his days teaching, and the wild, unmapped stretches of Africa where he pushes himself to the edge. There's a real thread of humility running through it, a reminder that no expedition succeeds without the people who make it possible along the way. It's also a great reminder that a regular person with a full-time job can still build a life full of big, audacious adventures. If you're drawn to stories of grit, humor under pressure, and what it feels like when a plan falls apart in real time, this one's for you. 

                                                                  Have you ever pushed yourself into a situation where you genuinely weren't sure how things would turn out? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message. 

                                                                  Tune In To Learn: 

                                                                  • How a string of rejected job applications accidentally launched a two-decade career in Africa 

                                                                    • What it was really like moving straight from Western Europe into a country facing serious political instability 

                                                                      • How teaching and travel writing compete for Oscar's time and attention 

                                                                        • Why staying humble matters when writing about places that aren't your own 

                                                                          • What it takes to prepare for a multi-week kayaking expedition with almost no prior experience 

                                                                            • How a mountain range with no water nearly ended the trip 

                                                                              • Advice for handling corrupt officials and checkpoint shakedowns without losing your cool 

                                                                                • Why local guides and communities deserve more credit than the explorers themselves 

                                                                                  • What's next for Oscar's expedition career 

                                                                                  • Resources: 

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                                                                                      • Watch the documentary 

                                                                                        • Scafidi Travels YouTube 

                                                                                          • Kayak the Mangoky 

                                                                                            • Our Kids, Our Future Madagascar 

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                                                                                              • Top 7 Uganda Hidden Gems with Lynett Nakamanya 

                                                                                                • Reconnecting to Nature with Adventure, Purpose, Fun, and Travelers' Curiosity with Alastair Humphreys 

                                                                                                  • Exploring Namibia: The Ultimate Road Trip, Uncrowded Safaris, and a Slower Pace of Life with Tuta Nangolo 

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                                                                                                          1 hr 9 min
                                                                                                        • A Spontaneous Road Trip from Serbia to Vietnam + the Benefits of Unplanned Travel with Mia Kercher

                                                                                                          Why would anyone choose to travel across two continents alone, with nothing but a cat and no real plan? 

                                                                                                          Mia Kercher is a copywriter, marketing strategist, and hypnotist who traveled overland from Serbia to Vietnam as a solo female traveler. She crossed twelve countries by car, foot, bicycle, and tuktuk, all with her cat, Cleo, by her side. Prior to this trip, Mia spent two and a half years backpacking through Europe, eventually settling in Serbia, where she built her energetic copywriting business, Evoke Writing. She recently finished writing a book about her journey. 

                                                                                                          In this episode, I talk with Mia about her journey, including the weeks she spent in Afghanistan, and how she kept her business running while living off-grid. 

                                                                                                          This conversation is about what happens when you choose curiosity over a plan. Mia's approach to travel has never been about research or certainty, and that mindset gets tested in a big way on this journey. We talk about the discomfort of being an outsider, the surprising kindness that can meet you in the most unexpected places, and how solo travel builds a kind of trust in yourself that is hard to find any other way. It is also a conversation about intuition, and how tuning into your subconscious mind can change the way you make decisions, both on the road and in business. 

                                                                                                          What would it take for you to say yes to an adventure with no plan and no idea how it would turn out? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message. 

                                                                                                          Tune In To Learn: 

                                                                                                          • Why Mia decided to leave her expat life behind and drive across two continents 

                                                                                                            • What it means to travel by "chaotic order" instead of a plan 

                                                                                                              • The single overlooked document that completely rerouted her entire trip 

                                                                                                                • How she prepared to enter a country most of her friends begged her not to visit 

                                                                                                                  • What changed the moment she stopped fearing the attention she was getting everywhere she went 

                                                                                                                    • The stranger who gave her a private tour most tourists never get to see 

                                                                                                                      • A roadside encounter that turned from friendly to alarming in seconds 

                                                                                                                        • How one man's dream of becoming an actor led to an unexpected fundraiser 

                                                                                                                          • Her strategy for traveling with a pet without drawing a crowd, and when it backfired 

                                                                                                                            • Mia's business strategy for making money on the road when she knows she's going to be off-grid or without wifi for a while 

                                                                                                                              • And so much more 

                                                                                                                              • Resources: 

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                                                                                                                                  • Mia's website 

                                                                                                                                    • Instagram 

                                                                                                                                      • Substack 

                                                                                                                                      • Want More? 

                                                                                                                                        • Solo Traveling Europe and "The Stans" in a Campervan with Maria Glaser 

                                                                                                                                          • Overland Travel 101, the Pros and Cons of Full-Time Travel, and Favorite Hidden Gem Destinations With Eric Highland 

                                                                                                                                            • Road Tripping To India: Life On A Land Rover Overland Trip 

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                                                                                                                                                    1 hr 9 min
                                                                                                                                                  • Introducing Via Podcast
                                                                                                                                                    Want to hear a podcast about one my favorite parts of the US? The Via Podcast by AAA paints a picture of the Western United States. If you love American history, road trips, wildlife, and Western folklore you’ve got to check out the Via Podcast. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have!
                                                                                                                                                    3 min
                                                                                                                                                  • Belonging to the World: Turning Grief Into a Global Quest to Visit Every Country with Barry Hoffner

                                                                                                                                                    What would it take to visit every country in the world, and could a journey like that actually help you heal from unimaginable loss? 

                                                                                                                                                    Following the sudden loss of his wife Jackie in Botswana in 2017, Barry Hoffner set out to visit every country in the world, a journey that became the basis for his memoir, Belonging to the World. He has since traveled to 192 of the 193 UN member countries, an experience that included exploring his own heritage as an Iraqi Jew who grew up in the United States. Barry also founded Caravan to Class, a nonprofit that provides access to education for young women across West Africa through the Bourse Jackie scholarship program, named in her honor. 

                                                                                                                                                    In this episode, Barry shares how grief led him to a global quest to visit every country in the world, and what he learned about identity, connection, and healing along the way. 

                                                                                                                                                    This conversation is a reminder that grief doesn't follow a straight line, and that the way we choose to move through it can shape everything that comes after. There's a lot of honesty here about what it means to rebuild an identity from the ground up after everything familiar is gone. And there's a genuine sense of wonder in hearing how one goal, however unlikely it seemed at the start, can turn into a life fully lived. 

                                                                                                                                                    What might it look like for you to begin again from year zero? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message. 


                                                                                                                                                    Tune In To Learn: 

                                                                                                                                                    • Why one spontaneous coin flip during high school set the course for a lifetime of travel 

                                                                                                                                                      • How an early scam abroad taught a hard lesson about travel awareness 

                                                                                                                                                        • Why working overseas early in his finance career reshaped his approach to life and work 

                                                                                                                                                          • What it was like to survive a real plane hijacking 

                                                                                                                                                            • How exploring his family's Middle Eastern heritage as an adult changed his sense of identity 

                                                                                                                                                              • Advice for processing grief and using travel intentionally as part of healing 

                                                                                                                                                                • Why he calls the period after his loss "year zero" and what that mindset can offer anyone starting over 

                                                                                                                                                                  • How a chance encounter with a stranger became one of the most meaningful moments of his journey 

                                                                                                                                                                    • Why the goal of visiting every country mattered less in the end than what he discovered along the way 

                                                                                                                                                                      • Advice on transitioning from decades of nomadic living to putting down roots in one place 

                                                                                                                                                                        • And so much more 

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Belonging to the World 

                                                                                                                                                                              • Caravan to Class 

                                                                                                                                                                                • Barry's Instagram 

                                                                                                                                                                                • Want More? 

                                                                                                                                                                                  • Finding A Quest That Can Change Your Life: An Interview With Chris Guillebeau 

                                                                                                                                                                                    • The Power of Death in Life with Gentle Rebel Bronnie Ware 

                                                                                                                                                                                      • A Personal Evolution Through Travel + Creating Your Own Path with Nikki Vargas 

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1 hr 18 min
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Exploring Namibia: The Ultimate Road Trip, Uncrowded Safaris, and a Slower Pace of Life with Tuta Nangolo

                                                                                                                                                                                              What makes Namibia feel less like a destination and more like an escape from everywhere else? 

                                                                                                                                                                                              Tuta Nangolo is the founder of Kamatjona, a coliving space and safari company based in Windhoek, Namibia. Founded in 2020, Kamatjona blends long-stay coliving for digital nomads with community-driven, self-drive safaris across the country. Tuta's approach to hospitality was shaped in part by years spent working in a backpacker hostel in London, an experience that inspired him to bring that same sense of connection back home.  

                                                                                                                                                                                              Tuta joins the show to talk about what makes Namibia's culture and landscapes so distinct, and he walks through a self-drive road trip itinerary connecting the country's desert, coastal, and wildlife regions. 

                                                                                                                                                                                              Namibia doesn't behave the way most people expect a safari destination to. This conversation captures a country defined by space, silence, and a slower pace of life, where the wild feels genuinely wild because so few people are around to interrupt it. There's a real sense of discovery running through this one, the kind that comes from a place still largely untouched by mass tourism. It's also a look at what it takes to build a sense of community in a country that's historically catered to a very different kind of traveler. 

                                                                                                                                                                                              Have you ever shown up somewhere expecting one thing and found the complete opposite? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message. 

                                                                                                                                                                                              Tune In To Learn: 

                                                                                                                                                                                              • Why Namibia surprises most visitors expecting a typical African destination 

                                                                                                                                                                                                • How population density shapes the pace of life and the travel experience 

                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Advice for planning a multi-day self-drive road trip through the country 

                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Why safaris here feel different from more crowded destinations elsewhere in Africa 

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • What inspired the shift from working at a hostel abroad to building a coliving space back home 

                                                                                                                                                                                                        • How local culture blends European influence with African tradition 

                                                                                                                                                                                                          • What to know about weather and timing before planning a visit 

                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Budget-friendly tips for food, accommodation, and getting around 

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • The role of community in shaping a more meaningful travel experience 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • And so much more 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Resources: 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Kamatjona coliving and safari 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Kamatjona on Instagram 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Namibia Road Trip & Hidden Gems List
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Want More? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Top 7 Uganda Hidden Gems with Lynett Nakamanya 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Safari 101: How To Plan A World-Class African Safari (Without Going Broke) 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • 5 Surprising Experiences in Africa, How to Transition to a New Career After Travel, and Exploring the African Diaspora With Jay Cameron 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    56 min
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Unplugged Travel, Trekking Nepal, and Pushing Past Your Comfort Zone with Tony Fletcher

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What happens when you plan a trip with one goal: to disappear from your phone, your inbox, and the news for as long as you can stand it? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tony Fletcher is a British music journalist and the author of seven books, including the bestselling Keith Moon biography Moon and the definitive R.E.M. biography Remarks Remade. He started the fanzine Jamming! as a teenager in London and has spent decades interviewing artists across the music world. He now lives in New York's Catskill Mountains, where he writes about music, travel, and running.  

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tony just got back from a solo month in Nepal, where a big part of the trip was a deliberate digital detox: two weeks completely offline, no email, no social media, no news. He joins me to talk through how he planned it, what it actually felt like to disconnect, and the unconventional route he took into the mountains. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is a conversation about what happens when you actually let go, not just of your phone, but of the need to always know what's going on. Tony went in with real doubts about whether he could pull it off, and those doubts followed him further into the trip than he expected. What came back out the other side surprised even him, touching habits and instincts he wasn't trying to change. There's also a quieter thread running through it about choosing the harder, lonelier path on purpose, and what that choice does to how you experience a place. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have you ever taken a real break from your phone or the news while traveling, and what did you notice about yourself in the quiet? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you'll share by sending me an audio message. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tune In To Learn: 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • How he prepared mentally in the week beforehand, and how many times he nearly talked himself out of it 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Advice for planning a trek that starts right from your hotel room instead of taking transport to the trailhead 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Why he chose a quieter route over the two most popular options 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • How trekking solo and unsupported changed the pace of each day 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • What quitting coffee and alcohol on the trail taught him about resetting his habits 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • How stepping away from his phone opened up more conversations with strangers 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Why he gave himself an extra week away from the news even after getting back online 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Advice on budgeting, accommodation, and food costs on a multi-week trek 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • The story of nearly losing his phone for good, and what it says about staying present 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • And so much more 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Nepal Trekking and the Great Himalaya Trail by Robin Boustead 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Trekking Nepal: Your Adventure Guide podcast by Zero To Travel 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Immersion Travel: Becoming a Porter in Nepal with Nate Menninger 

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