Dr. Chase Cunningham, aka Dr. Zero Trust, joins the show to talk Zero Trust credibility, the state of leadership in cyber, and more!

George K and George A talk to Chase about:

⚓️ His unlikely journey from Navy engineer to cybersecurity expert

🛡️ The evolution and future of the zero trust model in combating modern threats

📚 Insights from his latest book on leadership

🏎️ And perhaps a new land speed record for the number of f-bombs in a BKBT episode…

🧨 In the Teardown: George A tells you just how much money a bad demo experience can cost you (Hint: it’s a lot).