New Work Heroes Podcast

#111 Interview with Robert Briese


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On Large Scale Scrum (LeSS) and agile Product Discovery

In this episode of the New Work Heroes Podcast, I speak with Robert Briese, Entrepreneur, systems thinker, and one of only 29 certified Large Scale Scrum (LeSS) trainers worldwide.

We recorded this conversation in Robert’s garden – a quiet late summer setting that perfectly matched the depth and thoughtfulness of the exchange. Our talk moves from personal career shifts to complex organizational challenges and back again. We touch on real agility vs. agile theatre, productivity myths, and how teams can truly create value when they move beyond silos.

Robert shares how he discovered Agile in 2011 after years in traditional SAP consulting, how he became a certified LeSS trainer under the direct mentorship of Craig Larman and Bas Vodde, and why most teams that say they are “agile” are still stuck in command-and-control thinking.

We also reflect on our shared work at 50Hertz with Torben Müller, where the stakes were high and the complexity real. And as a preview: Robert and I will dive deeper into these topics live at the upcoming LeSS Conference in Madrid, where we’ll discuss the human side of scaling change. Some key themes in this episode include:

  • What systems thinking really means in product development
  • Why Scrum alone doesn’t make your company agile
  • How LeSS brings product focus to large team environments
  • Why “productivity” metrics like feature count and lines of code are misleading
  • The power of working directly with customers in product discovery
  • How mindfulness and intention can shape how we lead transformations
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    • Robert Briese on LinkedIn
    • Get the New Work Heroes Report
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    • Book a 1:1 coaching session with Jörn Hendrik
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