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Episode 7 of Series 12, Animals in Art and Culture  Transcript

A Crossover Special! This is a fascinating conversation between Claudia Hirtenfelder and Carol Gigliotti from The Animal Turn podcast. They discuss Gigliotti's groundbreaking book 'The Creative Lives of Animals,' which explores animal creativity, cognition, and agency.

Be sure to catch the previous episode with Claudia as a guest on TDWA for a round table discussion with Marika and artist, Shannon Johnstone about Banksy's 2024 "London Zoo Series" 

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