This episode shares a conversation between Kes Otter Lieffe (she/her) and Nicole Rose (she/her). In this juicy conversation, they discuss their experiences and feelings about solo work vs collectivity, working class femme labour, hyperresponsibility patterns, how non humans sustain their work, connection and reciprocity with plants and non humans, and so much much!

This conversation originally took place in May 2025 at the Learning from our ecosystems: What could a deeper understanding of (queer) ecology teach us about design, resilience and reflection? event at Hyperwerk in Basel.

About Kes

Kes Otter Lieffe /kes ˈɒtə liːf/ is a writer and ecologist and has been involved in grassroots community struggles for over twenty years.

She has written four queer speculative fiction novels and she writes and teaches about queer ecology. Her work focuses on nature connection, mutual aid, and the intersections of class, queerness, disability justice and environmental defence.

Links & resources from this episode

1. https://otterlieffe.com/
2. https://kesotterlieffe.substack.com/
3. https://queerecology.substack.com/

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