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...And sometimes babes! Zack's wife Lisa joins us for a chat about how they argue & manage expectations. Make-up sex is a thing. Jeff started his "walk" with zero bible knowledge. Zack's perfect parenting is derailed by evil thoughts. Should we just give a portion of grace? Jeff wants more then that from Scott. Gonna need a big bow to tie up this one.

featuring: Jeff, Lisa, Scott & Zack