Bill Reel claims that he has proven mathematically that deeds from Joseph Smith to women are undeniable evidence of his polygamy. He also believes that deeds reveal two previously unknown wives, Jane Gully and Mary Ann Bosley. While these are interesting ideas, they are very easily debunkable. Join me for this investigation (which includes clips of my discussion with Statistics Professor, Dr. John Kidd) so you will understand exactly why this argument should be discarded by anyone who wants to maintain credibility in these conversations.

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Links:

Ep. 102: Deep in the Weeds of the Deeds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXmALUrDTnc

Ep. 104: Dirty Deeds -- Deeds Pt. 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn-qjI6rUh4

85: Proving William Clayton's Journals are NOT Contemporaneous w/ Jeremy Hoop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a91kvdLKSU

Chapters:

0:00 Intro

2:40 Bill Reel: Deeds are the smoking gun for Joseph's polygamy

7:00 Has anyone claimed that deeds are evidence of polygamy?

16:00 James Whitehead testimony v. William Clayton

27:45 Bill's flawed statistical hypothesis

50:15 Was it rare for women to own property?

1:04:30 Deeds to women from Brigham & Heber & Wm Clayton

1:10:40 Join us next time for Part Two

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Recommended videos:

Episode 1: Introduction - A Surprising Beginning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKkK-1mgEkY

Ep. 107: God Is Not a Polygamist!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WXFFYd6mXA

Ep. 42: Emma and Joseph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3KtLnYFu9c

Ep. 113: Exonerating Emma - Repenting of Our False Traditions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLN8Er1_A

Ep. 83: Why It Matters - LDS Polygamy Trauma w/ Heather and Lisa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonCxTzzdfY

(Excerpt - Lisa's Story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjyYTw8RFqk)

LINKS for this episode:

Joseph Smith brings charges against Harrison Sagers:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/charges-against-harrison-sagers-preferred-to-william-marks-21-november-1843/1

Sarah Miller realizes Joseph never condoned Chauncey Higbee's polygamy:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/testimony-against-chauncey-l-higbee-25-may-1844/3

Wilford Woodruff - Joseph condemns adultery, polygamy, etc. "in toto":

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/remarks-25-november-1843-as-reported-by-wilford-woodruff/1

Draft version of Woodruff account above with revisions:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-1-march-31-december-1843/155#X97D4A60E-8864-4C8A-BD10-6370A770B4AB

Final version of Woodruff account above:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/152

Chargers against Sagers by his wife Lucinda:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/charges-against-harrison-sagers-preferred-to-the-first-presidency-and-quorum-of-the-twelve-apostles-circa-10-april-1844/1#source-note

Gary Bergera's unsupported assertions (see p. 88):

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43200169?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Brian Hales lists Sagers as someone taught polygamy by Joseph Smith:

https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/history/polygamy-causes-martyrdom/

Chapters:

0:00 Introduction

3:45 Sagers charged w/ using Joseph's name to justify adultery

7:00 Sagers tried to seduce his wife's younger sister

12:15 Sarah Miller affidavit - Chauncey used Joseph's name

25:35 Some thoughts on church courts

32:10 Grover and Johnson - polygamous high priests

36:20 Aaron Johnson's many wives

38:30 Thomas Grover's fraudulent affidavit

48:20 Joseph condemns adultery and any such thing

1:06:40 Lucinda Sagers charges her husband with polygamy

1:20:55 Harrison Sagers's many wives

1:29:00 Did Joseph authorize Sagers's polygamy?

1:37:00 Unsupported assertions from historians

1:48:35 Another historian's unsupported claims

1:54:15 The sandy foundation of "settled" history

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Chapters:

0:00 Intro

3:00 Think Again, Faith Again

11:55 Lingering effects of polygamy

24:25 The problem of pain

30:25 Michelle's on pain and God's plan

37:15 Thoughts on innocent suffering

40:45 A less-than-ideal wedding day

47:00 Thoughts on our eternal family

55:45 Loving God by loving others

1:06:30 The fallibility of man

1:14:50 Church history & the modern church

1:59:50 Respecting children's choices

2:33:35 Placing God above all others

2:50:25 Appreciating those around us

3:05:35 "Santiago," by poet David Whyte

This is Part Two of my recent conversation with Cheryl and Dan Clute, members of the Restoration Branches who have so much information to share with us.

If you haven't yet watched Part One of this interview, please watch it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e7kXtTUCJ0

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Links:

Herald (includes autobiography of Charles Derry): https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100138.pdf

Bound Autobiography of Elder Charles Derry: https://restorationbookstore.org/products/90101001?_pos=1&_sid=d6635be99&_ss=r

Restoration Bookstore Saints Advocate: https://restorationbookstore.org/search?type=product&q=saints+advocate

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Sister Dennis statements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkxGYfCKiBY 21:28 - 22:45

Instagram Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/C4oZ-otMOVL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

New York Times article: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/27/mormon-land-what-lds-women-want/

Revelation to Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-book-1/18

Original Section 101:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/259

Deed to Relief Society: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-emma-smith-13-june-1842/1

Voice of Innocence: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/19559128-fd44-45f1-9142-3e6b22432d1f/0/0

Saints Chapter 44: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1/44-a-lamb-to-the-slaughter?lang=eng

Church History Teacher's Manual: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/latter-day-saint-history-1815-1846-teacher-material/lesson-26?lang=eng

Brigham 3/9.1845, Seventies: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/church-historians-press/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/part-1/1-13?lang=eng

Brigham 3/9/45, High Priests: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/3bee6eb3-d491-47ba-873c-f55723c0fe68/0/95

Brigham Young Teaching at the Veil: https://sunstone.org/generation-x-and-framing-gender-in-the-church/

Narcissistic Projection Videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs7I_Rfsu-A 2:10 - 2:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-srEDzIHg 0:34 - 0:52

Brigham Young 12/24/1859: (Reference coming)

John Taylor 7/17/1880: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/church-historians-press/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/part-4/4-5?lang=eng

Intro to Historical Drafts: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/intro/introduction-to-history-drafts-1844-1856

Brigham Young "Revising" Joseph Smith History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-21-june-8-august-1844/1

Joseph Smith History Draft: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-21-june-8-august-1844/1#XCB805704-1633-4F55-9420-FABE8DA0AF8F

Joseph Smith History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/154

Final Entry in Joseph's Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-4-1-march-22-june-1844/172#18403301690377202721

Willard Richard's Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-3-willard-richards-journal-excerpt-23-27-june-1844/1#14866005340485473580

Clayton's Extra Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-4-william-clayton-daily-account-of-joseph-smiths-activities-14-22-june-1844/14

Nauvoo Legion History: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e9b8bf29-be05-417f-8d35-1aefb4128c3f/0/28?lang=eng

Joseph Smith 6/22/1844 Letter to Gov. Ford: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-thomas-ford-22-23-june-1844/1

Joseph Smith 6/23/1844 Letter to Gov. Ford: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-thomas-ford-23-june-1844/1

Joseph smith 6/23/1844 Letter to Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-23-june-1844/1

Journal of History volume 9, “A Visit to Nauvoo in 1856” Pages 446 - 459: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100009.pdf

Edmund C. Briggs “Early History of the Reorganization” (Published by the Price's 1998):

Online Version: https://www.centerplace.org/library/books/earlyhistoryofthereorganization.htm#123

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Links:

The Ancient Cosmic Clock

https://www.youtube.com/@ancientcosmicclock

Episode 98: Signs in the Heavens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWqJeGjXvfo

I thoroughly enjoyed my third conversation with researcher Don Bradley! We discuss the content of my two-year anniversary episode, 107: God Is Not a Polygamist, and find that we have many similar views on biblical monogamy, the real meaning of Jacob 2:30, and more!

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Michelle's Anniversary Video referenced in the conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WXFFYd6mXA

Don's presentation on levirate marriage as the basis for Joseph's polygamy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqVT-V-xX9k&t=760s

Michelle's episode on Levirate marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-0O28BhDg&t=45s

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Cheryl Bruno is fascinating! Mother of 8, expert on Freemasonry and early Mormonism, maker of Mormon tarot cards, author, poet, historian, and very good friend. This presentation is altruistic. Cheryl is the first historian willing to go on the record to publicly say that we have a valid argument that Joseph was not a polygamist! Thank you, Cheryl, for your courage and honesty! But, we too often hurt ourselves by my muddying the water with arguments that are not good. She wants to help our community be able to gain more credibility by focusing on the good arguments, and letting go of the bad ones. She is doing this for us. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!

Links:

Method Infinite: Freemasonry and the Mormon Restoration, by Cheryl L. Bruno, Joe Steve Swick III, Nicholas S. Literski:

https://amzn.to/493344S

Secret Covenants: New Insights on Early Mormon Polygamy, by Cheryl L. Bruno (Editor):

https://amzn.to/3TEAOkN

Cheryl Bruno Response to Brian Hales:

https://www.academia.edu/4857759/Joseph_Smiths_Polygamy_A_Response_to_Brian_Hales

Cheryl and my discussion on Brian Hales and Steven Pynakker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jINDIriBs&t=2988s

#lds #mormon #mormons #mormonhistory #polygamy #exmo #exmormon #josephsmith #brighamyoung #josephsmithpapers #alteredhistory #revisedhistory #fakehistory #churchofjesuschrist #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #freemason #masonic