"Jefferson admits [to John] Adams, you were right and I was wrong about the French Revolution." — Joseph J. Ellis

We welcome Clay Jenkinson back from his recent cultural tour to France, and speak with author Joseph Ellis about what Jefferson learned in France, and how it changed his outlook of the American dream.

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