Tom Wheeland recently took some time away from work to hike with his wife to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. On one of the nights that they camped at the bottom, Tom took some time to look at all the stars he could see without any city light pollution. That’s when he realized, “Any time you can broaden your perspective on the world, you see both the significance -- and insignificance -- of what you do.”

In this episode, Tom and I talk about how this trip and his other passions of playing tennis and watching Notre Dame sports have allowed him to have other dimensions for him to talk about when meeting new people at work. He finds that it’s easier to relax and be himself, whether that’s in the office or on a client visit. This sets an example for others to see that, “The barriers that prevent you from deep relationships melt away if you’re being genuine.”