In this episode, Jesse and Katie sit down for a conversation about what it really takes to build a sustainable music career in today’s world. From the role of side hustles and self-awareness to navigating feedback, fan expectations, and the shifting streaming landscape, this discussion dives deep into the modern creative grind.

They explore:

* Why chasing viral fame rarely builds real careers

* When it’s time to pivot or redefine success

* How to find work that funds your passion

* The tension between creativity and the algorithm

* Carbon Leaf’s perspective on albums vs. singles

* The evolving relationship between artists and fans

If you’re a working musician, creative, or just love hearing honest talk about the realities behind the stage, this one’s for you.

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