This week author and historian Joseph J. Ellis and Thomas Jefferson Hour creator Clay S. Jenkinson extend their ongoing conversation about the Jefferson-Adams relationship. They discuss the views of the 2 men on the relationship between "the few and the many". Jefferson says that this inequality has occurred throughout history, and asks what America must do about it to make our society the most equalitarian state that it can possibly be.

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