In this week's podcast, we hear from[01.15] Laurie Patton at the Federal Parliament's NBN hearing who gets into an argument with government members about whether he was wanted there and over who is responsible for the NBN definitive agreements[11.00] CommsDay's Rohan Pearce about Optus' 5G update this week and new pit and pipe legislation that was introduced into the lower house[14.58] CommsDay's Simon Dux on latest developments at two telcos Vonex and Spirit[19.38] Ericsson ANZ CEO Emilio Romeo on what's happening in Australian 5G, reflections on the firm's 130th anniversary in Australia and observations from 5G developments internationally[36.00] TransGrid telecommunications executive Andrew Ng on the power utilty's telecommunications business, its views on digital transformation and developments at the firm.