We’re joined by Ben Tarnoff—author of Internet for the People; co-founder of Logic Magazine—to do some historical materialism on the internet. Ben has a great new book coming out that traces the political economic development of the internet, from its origins as a military network to its privatization via wholesale handover to a telecom oligopoly to its existence today as an archipelago of shopping malls run by slumlords. We then discuss why there’s an urgent need for democratizing and demarketizing the internet, what that could look like, and how the seeds of that radical change can already be found in existing projects.

••• Order Ben’s book: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3927-internet-for-the-people

••• Follow Ben: https://twitter.com/bentarnoff

••• Read Logic Magazine: https://logicmag.io/

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