In this week's episode, we listen to Telstra CEO Andy Penn who expanded at CEDA this week about what he saw as the future of work, his plans to make the telco fully Agile in the proper noun sense and, in a brief digression into telecom matters, why he thinks there is room for both 5G and the NBN to co-exist.We also speak to Rohan Pearce about the newest telco to list on the ASX - Pentanet - and what the ACCC had to say about Google in adtech.  And we catch up with Simon Dux to hear what Australian telcos have to say about Open RAN as Europe gets behind it as well as new moves from FSG into NBN wholesale.