For episode 194, Elia Ayoub is joined by Amos Goldberg, Professor of Holocaust History at the Department of Jewish History and Contemporary Jewry at The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Goldberg is among the most vocal Israeli historians of the Holocaust to have called Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. In 2024, he wrote a paper for the Journal of Genocide Research on the question of intent, which we explored in part 1. 

In this episode, the second part of their conversation, they get into the crisis within Holocaust and Genocide Studies since the start of the Gaza genocide.

In the last segment, they spoke about “The Holocaust and the Nakba: A New Grammar of Trauma and History”, which Goldberg co-edited, and argue for the necessity of new horizons in our imaginaries.

The full, uninterrupted episode is available for free on Patreon.

Articles by Goldberg: 

• Le Monde: 'What is happening in Gaza is a genocide because Gaza does not exist anymore'

• Led By Donkeys: Yes it’s a genocide

• Haaretz: There's No Auschwitz in Gaza. But It's Still Genocide. 

Books by Goldberg:

• The Holocaust and the Nakba: A New Grammar of Trauma and History (with Bashir Bashir)

Other Links:

• Elia’s newsletter Hauntologies includes articles on “the Ghosts of Israel’s Futures” 

• Lee Mordechai: Witnessing the Gaza War 

• The Fire These Times: The Holocaust, the Nakba and Reparative Memory with Daniel Voskoboynik 

• The Fire These Times: Remembering the Nakba, Imagining the Future w/ Dana El Kurd 

For more:

• Elia Ayoub is on ⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠, ⁠Mastodon⁠, ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠ and blogs at ⁠Hauntologies.net⁠ 

• The Fire These Times is on Bluesky,⁠ Instagram⁠ and has a⁠ ⁠website⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠

• From The Periphery is on⁠ ⁠Patreon⁠⁠, ⁠Bluesky⁠, ⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠,⁠ Instagram⁠, and has a⁠ website⁠⁠

Credits:

Elia Ayoub (host, producer, sound editor, episode design), ⁠⁠Rap and Revenge⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Music), ⁠⁠Wenyi Geng⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (TFTT theme design), ⁠⁠Hisham Rifai⁠⁠⁠⁠ (FTP theme design) and ⁠⁠Molly Crabapple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (FTP team profile pics).