"You can be a Boss Bitch and also really sad. I contain multitudes...asshole!"

WHO: Matt & Michelle, shock jock vegans and authors of the notorious Thug Kitchen food blog and cookbooks.

WHAT WE DISCUSS: Hilarious, profanity-filled Thug Kitchen has hundreds of thousands of fans (including Gwyneth Paltrow, who put it in the spotlight) and consistently remains on the New York Times and Amazon bestseller lists. But, living loud comes with a price - Matt & Michelle were once very publicly accused of cultural appropriation, and continue to be dismissed by narrow-minded media companies & publishing houses who sometimes go on to steal their ideas. We talk all about how to handle scandal, maintain your personal and creative integrity when it feels like the whole world is against you, America's aversion to vulgar language vs. acceptance of vulgar sexuality, and why the vegan community has such a bad reputation.

LESSON LEARNED: feeling comfortable as an outsider is a lifelong process...even when you become successful because of it.

This episode was sponsored by Queen V. See more on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter at @healthishell, or www.healthishell.com. Subscribe, share, and write reviews to avoid a public scandal of your own!

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