Marcie Smith, and adjunct lecturer in economics at Jon Jay (CUNY) questions the sanctification of Gene Sharp, who has been called the "Machiavelli of nonviolence," and portrayed as apolitical. Smith talks to me about her recent piece, published on NonSite called "Change Agent: Gene Sharp's Noeliberal Nonviolence", which looks at Sharp's noeliberal ideology and his role as a defense state intellectual and Cold War champion. This I play the audio of a book talk I attended by Max Blumenthal about his latest book The Management of Savagery How America's National Security State Fueled the Rise of Al Qaeda, ISIS, and Donald Trump.