Everyone is familiar with globalization, its problems and discontents. But how to correspond to it politically? Andrew Hurrell is Professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and has spent much time studying liberal ideas about globalization: how it has evolved in modern times as well as its current challenges like populism, pandemics, climate change, and war. As an Einstein Visiting Fellow at the Cluster of Excellence "Contestations of the Liberal Script (SCRIPTS)", Andrew Hurrell seeks to understand why adopting truly internationalist policies is so difficult today; why the old world order of power politics has returned, and how geopolitics might be tamed in favour of new models of multilateral cooperation. Please note: The interview was recorded in 2021, months before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.