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Welcome back everyone to the conclusion of my conversation with the amazing Nick Chiarkas! I was so excited about this interview I didn’t want you guys to wait for next Sunday! I really enjoyed talking to Nick and I think you guys are going to feel the same about this episode.  

Nick grew up in the Al Smith housing projects on Manhattan's Lower East Side. When he was in the fourth grade, his mother was told by the principal of PS-1 that "Nick was unlikely ever to complete high school, so you must steer him toward a simple and secure vocation." Instead, Nick became a writer, with a few stops along the way: a U.S. Army Paratrooper with the 101st Airborne Division serving in the Viet Nam war, a New York City Police Officer, Deputy Chief Counsel to the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Deputy Chief Counsel for the President's Commission on Organized Crime; Chief Counsel for the USATBCB; and the Director of the Wisconsin State Public Defender Agency. On the way, he picked up a Doctorate from Columbia University, a Law Degree from Temple University, and was a Pickett Fellow at Harvard. Not bad for a guy whose principal told his parents that he wouldn’t amount to much.

I found this interview to be so captivating and entertaining. I didn’t want it to end. I hope you guys feel the same. Please enjoy my conversation with Nick.

In today’s episode we discuss:.

·      Why Nick left the NYPD after only seven years on the job. 

·      His experience of being sent to the Woodstock music festival as security and meeting some of the musicians, including Jimi Hendrix.

·      His part in the movie, The Anderson Tapes (Starring Sean Connery, Diane Cannon, and Christopher Walken). 

·      How Nick wound up being the Deputy Chief Counsel to the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and the Deputy Chief Counsel for the President's Commission on Organized Crime.

·      His awkward first meeting with President Reagan.

· His becoming the director of the Wisconsin State Public Defender Agency and how he was not welcomed with open arms because him being a former police officer. 

·      The changes he instituted in the public defender’s office.

·      His books, Weepers and Nunzio’s Way.

 All of this and more on today’s episode of the Cops and Writers podcast.

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