Welcome back to the conclusion of my interview with Author and retired FBI Forensic Artist Lisa Bailey.

Just a heads up, today's interview consists of two separate interviews. The first part is more about her exciting career as an FBI forensic Artist. The second half of our interview will expose the dark side of the FBI and how Lisa, a woman who devoted her life to service to this great country, was harassed, bullied, and discriminated against. The FBI failed to take proper action against Lisa’s bosses, who were responsible, or simply turned a blind eye. Their conduct and the cover-up were inexcusable and were done to make sure not to ‘embarrass the bureau.’

I want to make it very clear I’m not an FBI smear campaign. Every day, the men and women of the FBI go out and do the right thing, whether they are arresting criminals or helping other agencies put criminals behind bars. But, upper management has to change the culture of don’t embarrass the bureau, even if that means admitting you or one of your subordinates did the wrong thing and fixing it. It’s very simple, do the right thing, even if it’s painful or embarrasses you, because it is the right thing to do.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

· Would Lisa donate her body to the Body Farm?

· Lisa walks us through the Lester Eubanks age progression case she spearheaded.

· What she says to those who see her work as not an exact science.

· How A.I. will change her previous job as a forensic artist.

· How she dealt with being surrounded by death.

· Her advice for someone who wants to be a forensic artist?

· FBI culture. Agents, and ‘everyone else.’

· Her being the victim of a hostile work environment, bullying, and discrimination while working at the FBI. “Don’t embarrass the bureau,” even when they are clearly in the wrong.

· My interview with former FBI Special Agent Zach Schoffstall.

· Lisa’s book, Clay and Bones: My Life as an FBI Forensic Artist

All of this and more on today’s episode of the Cops and Writers podcast.