Our Combat Story today is former Navy SEAL officer Josh Thurman, who spent over 12 years serving in the SEAL Teams​, including at the elite level. Over the course of 11 deployments in the post-9/11 era​, Josh led high-stakes special operations missions and nearly lost his own life on countless occasions.  

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Josh almost never joined the military and, instead, thought of becoming a religious leader, which we talk about in this episode. Instead, he would go on to lead some of the most lethal and intelligent veterans on the planet on successful counterterrorism and hostage rescue missions. 

After his military service, Josh transitioned to the tech industry in 2023, co-founding AngelQ, an AI company to protect and prioritize the wellbeing of children in the digital age. With that, please enjoy this discussion with Josh Thurman.

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00:30 Introduction 00:49 Meet Josh Thurman: Navy SEAL Officer 03:20 From Potential Religious Leader to SEAL 05:54 Josh's Upbringing and Early Influences 10:27 Choosing the SEALs Over Other Paths 12:08 Mentorship and Inspiration 16:11 Angel Q: Protecting Kids in the Digital Age 18:45 BUD/S Training: Coldest Moments 30:31 Memorable Interactions with an Instructor 31:38 Challenges of OCS and Early Military Career 33:40 Humbling Experiences and First Deployment 36:56 First Combat Experience in Iraq 40:51 The Harrowing Vehicle Incident 47:12 Transitioning to Civilian Life and Entrepreneurship 50:04 The Mission and Vision of Angel Q 57:14 Challenges and Rewards of Starting a Company 59:25 Final Thoughts and Reflections 01:02:14 Sponsor Message: Delete Me

Today we sit down with Roberto Toncig, a retired Italian Army and former Government Executive with 40+ years of experience in the field of Defence and Security. He spent over two decades in steeped in International Relations and Security, most of them spent in challenging positions at various Italian Embassies abroad. 

In addition to Italian and fantastic English, Roberto speaks German, French, Serbo-Croatian, and Russian. In his post-government work, Roberto is an advisor at Leonardo focused on Regional Security for this global defense, security, and aerospace giant. 

We connected with Roberto thanks to friend of the show and longtime senior intelligence officer Glenn Corn. In this episode, we dive into Italy’s security organizations and get Roberto’s expert perspectives on Italy and Europe’s positioning in light of conflict in Russia and Ukraine, energy security, China, the Mediterranean, and regional stability.

With that, please enjoy this deep dive into all things security-related in Europe.

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00:00 Introduction 00:46 Meet Roberto Tonseg: A Veteran in Defense and Security 03:19 Italy's National Security Framework 05:59 Europe's Response to the Russia-Ukraine Conflict 08:31 Challenges and Strategies for European Security 12:05 Energy Security and Immigration in Europe 18:19 China's Global Influence and Strategic Concerns 25:39 Personal Reflections and Final Thoughts 28:18 Sponsor Message and Conclusion

In this episode, we sit down with statesman and Ambassador David Miller, who shares his expansive and storied career, starting from his early days surveying economic impacts in Vietnam to his intricate experiences with the National Security Council and various international postings. We’re joined by Glenn Corn, who spent a career, much like Amb Miller, in service to the United States, but on the CIA side of the house and you get to hear what it’s like when Chiefs of Station and Ambassadors truly work together.

Ambassador Miller recounts tales of working closely with influential figures such as Nelson Mandela and Brent Scowcroft, and discusses his involvement in developing the Diplomatic Studies Foundation, which is a fascinating approach that brings wargames to Country Teams with a different outcome: Peace. Miller reflects on the challenges of delivering unvarnished intelligence and narrowly avoiding any involvement in what he could sense was a scandal that was later Watergate! 

Ambassador Miller also helped start the Special Operations Fund which directly supports some of America’s most important families, those of fallen Tier 1 Special Operators, which I know people who listen to this show will appreciate. 

With that, please enjoy this wide ranging and interesting discussion with two very storied leaders and patriots.

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00:29 Introduction 00:48 Meet Ambassador David Miller 02:20 Early Career and Vietnam Experience 05:22 Insights on Military Intelligence 07:26 Navigating Bureaucratic Challenges 12:16 Watergate and Its Aftermath 15:48 Diplomatic Studies Foundation and Peace Games 21:53 Understanding the Country Team 24:29 Spec Ops Recruiting and Ambassador's Role 26:43 Embassy Dynamics and Teamwork 27:23 Current Affairs: Ukraine and Diplomatic Security 30:10 Special Operations Fund and Personal Stories 33:28 USAID and Development Programs 39:45 Memorable Meetings and Reflections 42:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts 42:26 Sponsor Message: Delete Me

Today’s Combat Story is a Frontline Perspective with Tamerlan Vahabov on Ukraine's Defense, Challenges, and Future. In this interview, Tamerlan tells us about his work as a former advisor to the Director of Defense Procurement and the Minister of Interior in Ukraine. He shares his compelling journey from Azerbaijan to Ukraine, highlighting his roles in government, law enforcement, and his direct experiences with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We dig deep into drone warfare and the intricacies of defense procurement, the challenges faced by the Ukrainian defense industry, and his ongoing efforts to aid Ukraine's war effort. This episode offers a rare glimpse into the life of a man who has been at the forefront of Ukraine's struggle, providing valuable insights and personal stories that underscore the complexities of the conflict

Tamerlan Vahabov was the advisor to the Director of the Defense Procurement Agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, 2024, Head of the Reform Office and Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, 2021-2022, has held government defense industry, economy, and law enforcement positions in Kyiv, Ukraine, Lyon France and Baku, Azerbaijan.

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00:00 Intro 00:33 Tamerlan's Background and Early Career 01:20 Experiences During the Russian Invasion 04:23 Law Enforcement and Military Career 11:41 Challenges in Ukrainian Defense 22:35 Addressing Defense Procurement Issues 23:19 Strategic Forecast for Ukraine and Russia 24:21 Exploring the US-Ukraine Rare Earth Deal 26:59 Personal Security Concerns in High-Profile Roles 28:29 Navigating International Military Deals 34:52 Commitment to Ukraine's Future 36:22 Early Conflicts with Russia 40:09 A Message to the US Audience

Today we talk to CIA Senior Intelligence Service officer Glenn Corn who is calling in from Ukraine and dive into the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, with on-the-ground insights and analysis. We touch on Ukrainian concerns about being excluded from international peace talks, the mixed reactions to diplomatic efforts at the Munich Security Conference and in Saudi Arabia, and the potential implications of new Russian intelligence tactics.

We also hit on a new Russian intel covert unit, possible involvement of North Korean troops supporting Russia, recent prisoner swaps, and the evolving role of NATO and U.S. allies in the conflict. Additionally, there's a reflection on the human cost of the war, highlighting the emotional toll on Ukrainian families.

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0:00 Introduction 00:24 On the Ground in Ukraine 01:27 Ukrainian Concerns and International Talks 04:33 Russian Intelligence and Covert Operations 06:40 Territorial Negotiations and Peace Talks 09:21 European and NATO Involvement 12:39 Prisoner Swaps and Diplomatic Moves 15:20 North Korean Involvement in the Conflict 17:09 Final Thoughts and Personal Reflections 20:55 Sponsor Message: NordVPN

Today’s Combat Story is with our first Navy Vice Admiral, Mike LeFever, who spent 38 years in uniform supporting US National Security across the world. Rising from an Annapolis wrestler to a surface warfare officer, Mike was selected to command a strike group, would serve at the US Embassy in Pakistan as the head diplomatic officer (during the Bin Laden raid), and finished his military career as the Director of Strategic Operational Planning at the National Counterterrorism Center, within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

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Mike has gone on to write a book about leading through crises titled End Game First: A Leadership Strategy for Navigating a Crisis, and, since leaving service, has stayed very busy with roles as a CEO for a cyber and tech company; a senior advisor and mentor at the McChrystal Group; Performance Ambassador and Speaker for Liminal Collective and Arena Labs; works on the Cipher Brief with friend of the show Glenn Corn and more.

This is a really and insightful discussion with an incredibly senior, accomplished, yet thoroughly humble leader and I hope you enjoy his sense of humor, honest talk, and experiences at the highest levels of both global affairs and military strategy as much as I did.

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00:00 Introduction 00:44 Introduction to Combat Story and Host 01:03 Meet Vice Admiral Mike Lefevre 01:34 Career Highlights and Leadership Roles 02:25 Personal Insights and Experiences 02:53 Memorable Moments in Islamabad 07:07 Significant Events and Challenges in Pakistan 09:06 Reflections on Leadership and Service 09:54 Unexpected Career Path and Surface Warfare 15:04 Leading Earthquake Relief in Pakistan 19:10 Building a Humanitarian Task Force 24:14 Navigating Crisis and Leadership Lessons 32:04 End Game: Strategic Planning and Execution 35:07 Military Influence in Pakistan 35:29 Anecdotes from Bab N Abad 36:41 Building Relationships in Pakistan 39:44 The Bin Laden Raid 42:36 Post-Raid Reflections 44:00 Geopolitical Challenges and Operations 53:14 Leadership and Mentorship 55:20 High-Performance Training 57:44 Current Endeavors and Reflections 01:02:02 Personal Reflections and Closing Thoughts

Today is an amazing Combat Story as we sit down with the legendary retired three star General HR McMaster whose 34 years of service included everything from spearheading the last great tank-on-tank engagement in the famous Battle of 73 Easting to serving as President Trump’s National Security Advisor. 

McMaster has been a dream interview for our program for years and it does not disappoint. We cover so much in this episode from exactly what it felt like in the tanks on that fateful day taking on and destroying the Tawalkana Division of the Iraqi Republican Guard in minutes to leading a Cavalry Regiment that successfully and overwhelmingly destroyed Al Qaida in Tal Afar in Iraq in 2006 (it’s an amazing description of combined arms warfare) to chance encounters with world leaders like Henry Kissinger.

We spend some time discussing the General’s most recent book, At War With Ourselves about his time in Trump’s White House. It’s an amazing look inside what the West Wing is really like and the decisions that have to be made and personalities that need to be managed. Fans of this show will love this book.

We get McMaster’s perspective from the Battle of 73 Easting but if you want an even more detailed description of that battle, check out our interview with McMaster’s Platoon Leader Tim Gauthier who was a part of that fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O10yS95ak5M

I sincerely hope you enjoy this glimpse into one of our country’s greatest and most selfless leaders as much as I did.

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00:00 Introduction 00:42 Introduction to Combat Story 01:01 Interview with General H. R. McMaster Begins 02:34 Discussing Competitiveness and Sports 05:25 McMaster's Military Background and Family Influence 07:02 Love for History and Reading Habits 11:20 Training and Leadership in the Military 23:03 Path to Becoming an Armor Officer 30:15 Preparation for the Battle of 73 Easting 36:22 Frustration and Anticipation on the Battlefield 37:22 Encountering the Enemy: First Skirmishes 38:18 Rain, Fog, and Sandstorm: The Challenges of Movement 39:59 Engaging the Enemy: The Battle Begins 40:49 Tactical Maneuvers and Repairs 42:19 The Heat of Battle: Tank Engagements 49:24 Operation Restoring Rights: A New Challenge 51:23 The Strategy and Execution of Operation Restoring Rights 01:03:19 Reflecting on Leadership and Service 01:13:57 Closing Thoughts and Reflections

Today we have a fascinating discussion with two CIA legends from the Directorate of Operations: Glenn Corn and Paul Kepp. Both served for over 30 years in the government, most of that with the CIA and both served as Chiefs of Station at some of the most important posts in the world, leading from the frontlines.

Glenn brought Paul on to discuss what’s going on in Africa in terms of Russian and increasing Chinese influence, regional players like Turkey and UAE, and specifically recent flare ups in the Democratic Republic of Congo or DRC with Tutsi militia group M23 taking over Goma.

We cover what that means for the DRC, Rwanda, the people, regional players, global players, and the United States, particularly with a new administration in place.

Please enjoy this deep dive from two legends discussing a topic that both feel deserves our attention globally.

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00:00 Introduction 00:48 Geopolitical Importance of Africa 02:58 Russia and China's Influence in Africa 06:17 Current Crisis in the DRC 07:11 Historical Context of the Conflict 09:02 Rwanda's Role and International Interests 16:22 US Administration's Response 24:18 Humanitarian Impact and Future Prospects 27:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Today we hear a Combat Story from our brothers across the pond with a veteran and sniper from the UK’s elite Parachute Regiment or Paras, Hugh Keir. Hugh deployed to Iraq twice, Afghanistan three times, in addition to Northern Ireland and the Falklands. 

Hugh survived the infamous siege of Musa Qala (you’ll be fascinated to hear about this experience and it will make you appreciate just how brutal fighting can be at times) where he and his unit were infiled into a brutal fighting position in Afghanistan completely surrounded by the Taliban. He was also recognized with a gallantry award for his actions in Helmand Province in 200 in just one of his several Afghan deployments. 

Since leaving the military, Hugh has worked as a Close Protection Officer in the Middle East and in the UK, and is the host of the H-Hour Podcast, a long form conversation hosted with guests that have included politicians, actors, psychologists, UFC fighters, authors, campaigners, veterans, and more.

I hope you enjoy this deep dive from our close partners over in the UK as much as I did.

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00:00 Introduction 00:28 Introduction to Combat Story 00:47 Meet Hugh Heyer: UK Parachute Regiment Sniper 03:43 Growing Up in Wales 09:17 Joining the Military 26:00 Training Challenges and Selection 33:18 Bloody Sunday and Personal Connections 34:46 Marching Season in Ireland 37:34 Experiences in Iraq 42:40 Sniper Training and Promotion 49:20 First Firefight in Afghanistan 58:08 The Siege of Musa Qala 01:07:31 Facing Ammunition Shortages 01:09:35 Enduring Relentless Attacks 01:11:01 Casualties and Morale 01:15:31 Negotiating with the Taliban 01:16:18 The Unexpected Evacuation 01:18:43 Reflecting on the Siege 01:25:57 Gallantry Award and Strike Operations 01:35:28 Starting the H-Hour Podcast 01:38:39 Sentimental Keepsakes and Final Reflections 01:40:42 Conclusion and Podcast Promotion

In this special crossover edition of Combat Story and the Mad Minute, we discuss regional issues in the Middle East with 30 year CIA and State Department legend Glenn Corn. We delve into the significant recent developments in the Middle East, focusing on the ceasefire agreements involving Israel, Hamas, and Hezbollah, as well as Lebanon's election of a new president after a prolonged political deadlock.

Israel and Hamas reached a pivotal ceasefire agreement after 15 months of intense conflict. This truce, facilitated by international mediators including U.S. President Joe Biden, President-elect Donald Trump, and Qatar's Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, aims to end hostilities and initiate the release of hostages and prisoners. The first phase, set to commence on January 19, 2025, includes a six-week truce during which Hamas will release 33 Israeli hostages in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. Subsequent phases will address the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and the reconstruction of the region under international supervision. 

In Lebanon, the political landscape has undergone a transformative change with the election of army commander Joseph Aoun as president on January 9, 2025, ending a two-year vacancy. Aoun secured 99 votes in the parliamentary session, surpassing the required two-thirds majority. His election is seen as a diminishment of Hezbollah's influence, especially following the recent conflict with Israel and the assassination of veteran leader Hassan Nasrallah. In his victory speech, President Aoun emphasized a new phase for Lebanon, commitment to the ceasefire with Israel, and the establishment of a national security strategy. His presidency is viewed as pivotal for the country's postwar reconstruction efforts and economic recovery. 

Join us as we analyze the roles of key figures such as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Hamas' interim political chief Khalil al-Hayya, and Egypt's General Intelligence Director Hassan Rashad in these negotiations. We also explore the implications of these ceasefires and Lebanon's presidential election on the geopolitical landscape, the challenges in implementing the agreements, and the prospects for lasting peace in the region.

Don't miss this comprehensive discussion on the dynamic and evolving situation in Lebanon and Israel, providing insights into the complex interplay of political and military strategies shaping the future of the Middle East.

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00:00 Introduction 00:22 Lebanon's Political Landscape and Recent Changes 02:22 Hezbollah's Influence and Recent Developments 03:07 Impact of Israeli Actions on Hezbollah 08:40 Lebanese Armed Forces and Hezbollah Relations 10:27 Regional Winners and Losers 14:15 Advice for the New Administration 17:47 Personal Reflections on Lebanon 19:19 Israel-Hamas Ceasefire Agreement 22:10 Focus on Iran and Regional Dynamics 27:08 Global and Regional Concerns 28:41 Conclusion and Final Thoughts