This week, Marcus and Melanie meet with the remarkable Chase Rowan—a former Army Ranger turned creative visionary, financial strategist, and vocal advocate for alternative healing. With a career spanning combat zones to creative studios and boardrooms, Chase embodies the spirit of resilience, innovation, and transformation.

Listen in on Chase’s powerful story of serving as an Army Ranger and the ridiculous challenges he faced returning to civilian life, healing the Invisible wounds, and his personal experiences with ibogaine and 5meo-DMT, and how these treatments helped him overcome addiction and trauma.

Chase discusses his work with the Texas Ibogaine Initiative and reveals why he’s passionate about sharing these solutions with fellow veterans.

Chase Rowan worked as a Land Development Project Manager for 17 years, helping build residential neighborhoods all over North Texas. He spent his career working for two of the largest land developers in Texas, managing everything from early planning and design to construction and final delivery of large-scale communities.

•  I had a lot of experiences walking in on things no boy wants to walk in on. (12:45)

•  I’ve struggled with alcohol for a long time. But I did it kind of quietly, especially when I got in the military. (19:57)

• [While parachuting] I hit the runway going 40-50 mph. I had an 8” gash in the back of my head. I was out-unconscious. (30:44)

• There’s nothing worse than opioid withdrawal to me. (30:44)

• My sole focus when I got up, when I was deep in my addiction – my first thought was “How am I gonna get something?” (38:15)

• In 2016, my life was in shambles. I decided I needed help. (39:10)

• [Marcus] No matter how strong you are. It’s like being a prisoner of war. (41:47)

• I felt like such a failure, and so many times I thought about how much better my kids and my wife would be if I just ended my life. (53:26)

• When I was at my weakest, and I’d start crying, all of the sudden I’d feel power within me. (58:49)

• Being sober is a super power. (63:15)

• [Post Ibogaine treatment] I’ve never wanted to be alive more than I do now, and people need to know about this. (72:21)

• There’s nothing I like more than seeing people happy. (78:02)

• It’s not what you want. It’s what you need. (84:27)

• There are so many things that trauma is from, and this [Ibogaine] can heal it. (90:28)

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 In this deeply moving episode, Marcus and Melanie sit down with Chet Ingram, the father of Navy SEAL Nathan Gage Ingram, who was lost at sea in January 2024 during a mission off the coast of Somalia. Alongside fellow SEAL Christopher J. Chambers, Gage perished while attempting to board a vessel suspected of smuggling Iranian weapons bound for the Houthi rebels. The mission turned tragic when Chambers was swept overboard, and Gage, in a heroic act of brotherhood, dove in after him — both were lost to the ocean’s current.

Chet, and Gage’s best friend Ryan, reflect on Gage’s remarkable journey from Roanoke, Virginia, to the elite ranks of SEAL Team Three. He shares how his son’s determination and selfless character defined every part of his life, including his final moments.

Chet also opens up about the heartbreak of losing a son, the holes left behind, and the hope he’s now pursuing through the Nathan Gage Ingram Foundation — a mission to support military families in their own times of need.

We also discuss the Navy’s investigation into the incident, which pointed to preventable failures, and how Chet has chosen to turn pain into purpose, even participating in a memorial paddle just miles from where his son is honored in San Diego.

From personal grief to public service, from private tears to lasting legacy — this conversation is a powerful tribute to a son, a hero, and a father's unwavering love.

• American Airlines pilots, called “100 Vets Who Give a Damn” are retired pilots. They give me opportunity to speak, and make a little money for the foundation. (3:21)

• I’m that dad that when the kids are 4 years old and they’re looking for a soccer coach, I volunteered. (16:47)

• I teach biomechanics and fast pitch softball. (16:55)

• He [Gage] had a lot of heart, played football - still the smallest guy in the world, but as a cornerback, he’d fight you for that ball. (18:05)

• He [Gage] was watching this movie one night. Afterwards, he decided to go for a 4-mile run in the ice. He came back and said “Dad, I’m gonna be a Navy SEAL. (21:50)

• Financially all I ever asked God for was to be comfortable. Never more than I deserved. (28:17)

• Gage and I did the 100k – (6.23 miles) and we did it in just under 4 hours. (42:40)

• Gage loved the kiddos and the puppies. (53:49)

• In an attempt to board the Dhow, going up that unstable ladder, and with the proximity of the boat, it jumped the rail. Chris attempted it and didn’t make good contact and fell 9 feet. (59:14)

• The biggest reward was that between his graduation and boot camp, I asked him to accept Jesus, and he did. (60:20)

• I can’t change the past, but how can I help change the future, based on my experience. (62:27)

• As far as we know those boys are still kickin’ water. He’s still sittin’ in a bar drunk, just waiting for people to come. (62:43)

• [Marcus] We have to have a bar under the sea. (62:47)

•  I tell people, he can walk in that door any minute. You don’t know, man. (66:17)

• That’s what happened that day. They knocked on the door, and we’re till living that nightmare. (70:26)

• There are guys getting out now that are able to talk to me about certain things. The incredible impression that Gage made on them. (81:28)

• I want to represent Gage in the highest way possible. (81:47)

• I want the foundation to represent what he would’ve been, what I knew him to be, how he was raised to be, and being validated by stories that are coming back from other people. I think I’m on the right path to basically be a damn good human. (82:11)

• I feel like I’m walking uphill backwards. But at least I’m moving forward. (83:16)

• There aren’t big problems; it’s how you choose to approach them (87:57)

• Think across the horizon. (88:11)

• I can’t offer medical therapy, but I ain’t seen anybody with an issue having a problem when their having fun. (90:35)

•  Gage’s retreat – Adventure Therapy Program - is what is what it’s titled. (90:51)

• People always remember him laughing. He never thought he was better than anybody else. He always treated people with love and respect. (107:53)

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This week’s Team Never Quit guest is no stranger to adversity. Brian Dickinson, a former U.S. Navy Special Operations Aviation Rescue Swimmer and elite mountaineer, joins us to share the harrowing true story of his solo summit and descent of Mount Everest after being left without a guide—and without sight. After his Sherpa fell ill near the South Col, Brian pushed onward alone to the top of the world, only to be struck by sudden snow blindness on the way down. What followed was a seven-hour descent with no vision, no oxygen, and no margin for error.

Brian holds the record for the highest solo blind descent and has completed the Seven Summits, conquering the tallest peaks on each continent. Before his mountaineering feats, Brian served six years in the U.S. Navy with the elite NSO (Naval Special Operations) community, deploying on high-risk rescue and combat missions in the Persian Gulf.

Now the host of Calm in the Chaos, a podcast that highlights raw, untold rescue stories from America’s unsung heroes, Brian brings the same courage, insight, and humility to this conversation. Whether you're a fan of extreme adventure, military resilience, or human endurance—you won’t want to miss this one.

• {Marcus] I’m a Charlie Sheen SEAL. (8:19)

• It’s weird when you go from jumping put of helicopters to something less interesting. (14:11)

• You can’t really plan for giving up in the death zone – 26,00 feet. But you can train for the things in your control. (18:07)

• You can’t acclimate to 26 [thousand feet]. You’re slowly dying. Like if you cut your finger, it won’t heal. There’s not enough air. (23:23)

• At Camp 3, this is where you see a straight up ice wall. If you fall, you’re falling for a mile. (24:32)

• When I got about a thousand feet above Camp 3, I had to anchor off to get some water. I had an oxygen mask and goggles, and I took my goggles off to put them around my wrist, and as I was getting my mask off to drink water, my foot slipped, I went to grab the rope, and my goggles slid off and 4they’re just like… down. And you don’t bring extra gear. (25:35)

• There’re over 300 bodies still on the mountain. (30:38)

• You live and die by the decisions you make in life. (31:34)

• When you climb any mountain at night, the sun is your first indication of hope. (37:33)

• According to the Himalayan Database, I’m one of two people to ever have the summit to myself on a given day. (39:07)

• Everything just went completely white. I went Snowblind. And I remember at that moment, dropping down, grabbing the rope, and assessing the situation thinking: I’m at the highest point in the world, I’m completely blind; no one’s coming to get me. (41:07)

• I just witnessed a miracle. It was like someone reached down and picked me up. An unexplained energy. The first thing I did was try the extra oxygen bottle and it started working, and I got 5 full beaths – reeling it in – and it burned. It felt like fire going through my veins. (48:02)

• Everyone loves a survival story. They could care less about the survivor. (53:43)

• That whole time, Jesus was walking alongside me. I felt that presence. (47:05)

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This week’s Team Never Quit episode features Lieutenant Commander Mark Keller, a retired U.S. Navy Naval Flight Officer who served his country with distinction in combat zones around the world—including Kosovo, Iraq, and post-9/11 Afghanistan. But after two decades of intense operational service, Mark faced a more insidious enemy at home: the devastating mental, emotional, and physical toll of war.

In this powerful conversation, Mark opens up about his early years as a thrill-seeker, his journey from the Air Force to earning his commission into the Navy, and the harrowing missions that left scars no one could see. He recounts the mission that haunted him most—the unintended loss of innocent life—and how that moment triggered a years-long battle with PTSD, addiction, broken relationships, and near-death experiences.

But Mark’s story doesn’t end in darkness.

He takes us inside his transformational healing journey, made possible by plant-based neurogenesis therapies including Ibogaine and 5-MEO-DMT. Supported by the nonprofit Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS) and inspired by fellow veterans like Marcus Luttrell and Marcus Capone, Mark discovered not only deep healing—but a new purpose.

Now an advocate for alternative PTSD treatments and featured in the upcoming documentary No Fallen Heroes, Mark shares how love, neuroplasticity, and hard-fought self-discovery helped him reclaim his life.

 If you or someone you love is a veteran struggling with PTSD, you’re not alone. Reach out, share this episode, and explore the healing resources shared today.

In This Episode You Will Hear:

• When you’ve got 2 Lieutenants with 15,000 pounds of gas and an hour to kill in an F-14, what are you gonna do? (18:46)

• If there’s any flat earthers listening to this… the earth is round. (19:28)

• As I look over on my left, I start seeing bright orange, all over the place. And I switched around on my seat, and the whole back of the plane’s on fire. Holy shit! (25:30)

• A lot of guys got in the habit of making sure they had a mag in there. They wanted to be sure to take themselves out, before the Taliban got ‘em. (36:22)

• [Marcus: a buddy of mine] came over the wood line and dropped down over our crawfish boil, you could see him come down; rolled over to do a panel check; and hung us the finger. (43:53)

• Why are you gonna strap an explosive-laden rocket to your ass, if you can’t do something fun with it? (44:44)

• Detailed discussion related to lasers and precision bombing. (48:27 to 55:30)

• People have different experiences, and you make decisions based on what you know. (59:21)

• I got home to my wife and my 2 young sons, and I wasn’t the same. (75:35)

• Every time you launch, you gotta be on the ball. You’re at 100% all the time. You have to. Mission success, and sometimes survival requires it. (77:19)

• The life of a fighter air crew in the Navy: Poor quality sleep, not the best nutrition, constant high stress for months at a time, bathing in and drinking water contaminated with jet fuel, the G-forces associated with catapult shots and arrested landings deform your brain rather violently, you’re flying with a 10,000 watt radar down by your feet, when you’re at altitude, there’s nothing between you and God but a piece of plexiglass. Why are guys getting prostate cancer? I don’t know. We can guess about that, can’t we? (78:09)

• There were times that I was so screwed up that I knew that next one was gonna kill me and I said I don’t care and I did it anyway. I don’t know why I’m not dead. (95:47)

• Ibogaine doesn’t give you what you want, it gives you what you need. (124:45)

• Ibogaine is a medicine that works on cellular metabolism and neuro transmitters and happens to have some psychedelic-like effects. (128:45)

• I’ve just learned to not be too attached to what other people think. (164:42)

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This week, Marcus and Melanie welcome Commander Jed “J.D.” Donaldson, and Captain Bradley Geary to the Team Never Quit Podcast. J.D Donaldson, a West Virginia native whose journey from small-town athlete to elite Navy SEAL leader is nothing short of remarkable. Raised in Hedgesville and shaped by strong family values and athletic discipline, J.D. earned a U.S. Naval Academy appointment and went on to win two national boxing championships before graduating with a degree in Physics (Oceanography).

Selected for SEAL training alongside a small group of peers, J.D. would go on to serve in multiple SEAL Teams across global deployments, holding command positions at SEAL Team Eight and SEAL Team Four, and leading strategic operations in Africa with Special Operations Command. His time at the elite Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) marks the pinnacle of a career defined by leadership, courage, and brotherhood.

Now, as Training and Facilities Manager at GBRS Group, J.D. continues to serve the veteran and first responder community, equipping them with the tools and training to thrive. In this episode, we explore how his experiences shaped his approach to leadership, resilience, family, and life after service.

Captain Bradley Geary is a retired Navy SEAL officer with 24 years of distinguished service in Naval Special Warfare. A 2000 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and SEAL Qualification Training Class 234, he led elite teams across the globe—from SEAL Team Four to commanding SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team One. He most recently served as Commanding Officer of Naval Special Warfare Basic Training Command. Captain Geary holds a master’s in Defense Analysis and has spent his career training, leading, and mentoring some of the most elite warriors in the world.

• I was first chair trumpet in high school. Muscular lips. (22:38)

• One of the psych’s did a study of all the attributes access the teams to find out what’s consistent across all the force. The only attribute he could find consistent with 100% of us the sense of levity – humor. (32:12)

• In the darkest moments of our careers, you’ll find the funniest things (33:20)

• There’s this one young officer standing there, smiling ear to ear. I said “Yo dude, I just cancelled your Christmas break, they got you wet and sandy. Why are you smiling? [His response was] “This is everything I was waiting for, and everything I hoped it would be.” (35:59)

• Press into the suffering. All of a sudden, it’s not enjoyable, but it changes your mindset. (36:47)

• [Marcus] McGraw had more fractures than he had legs. No quit in this dude. (47:18)

• The guy next to me, Greg Klein, a huge Green Beret and Marine Force Recon. The instructor says “Klein, what’re you doing here? You’re Army Green Beret; you’re Marine Force Recon. He’s like “I thought I’d take a break.” (48:07)

• Danny [Dietz] was probably the best pilot I’ve ever seen. He was amazing. (68:31)

• We were in Chesapeake Bay, and I’m looking at the bearings. All of a sudden, I’m like “Hey! Danny!  We’re like 90 degrees off course. What are you doing? Next thing I know, we bounce off the bottom. He had fallen asleep driving the STD. We had been out there so long that night. (68:52)

• It comes back to Who’s under the boat? Who’s carrying their weight? Who’s sacrificing for their teammates? And Danny [Dietz] was always that guy. (79:32)

• [Danny Dietz is the] most selfless dude I’ve ever met. (79:58)

• Whatever he [Danny Dietz] did, he did with excellence. He just owned it. (80:25)

• It was the first time that I’d lost anybody close, and I walked out to the gravel, looked up to the heavens and I got to thinking. He was probably one of the key elements of my success in my entire career. I looked up to the stars and thought: “Alright Lord, If I was up there and Mike was down here, what would I say to him?” I’d say: “Think well of me and get back to work.” 120:54)

• I hadn’t brushed my teeth in like 84 hours. (121:53)

• Leonidus didn’t choose the 300 [Spartans] because they were the best warriors. He chose them because they had the best women. (139:21)

• Suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character, character produces hope. All the answers are right in this book. (143:18)

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In this week’s powerful episode, Marcus and Melanie sit down with Beau Dooley, a former Green Beret whose journey has taken him from the frontlines of war to the frontlines of mental health advocacy. Clint reflects on his years cycling between combat zones and home life—navigating the difficult shift between being a soldier and a loving husband. Though proud of his military service, Clint shares why he no longer lets the title of Green Beret define him. Instead, he has embraced writing and public speaking to help remove the stigma surrounding mental health treatment for veterans. Clint opens up about the invisible battles many veterans face when trying to reintegrate into society and how creative outlets like poetry have been a source of healing and purpose. His mission: to encourage fellow veterans to find their own voices, their own paths, and a renewed sense of belonging.

Beau shares about his life as a Green Beret and the toll of constant transition, the identity struggles veterans face after service, the therapeutic power of creativity and poetry, breaking the stigma around PTSD and mental health treatment, and building a supportive community for veterans

• That resentment or that hurt that you didn’t deal with is affecting every other relationship in your life. (10:51)

• A person that constantly needs to hide behind their successes is not gonna let you in emotionally. (12:06)

• It’s totally okay to just want to be where you need to be and then realize “Oh, it happened again”. It was knee jerk reaction. I’ve been doing this since I was younger. I kinda lost my way. I need to check in with myself spiritually. I need to take better care of myself. I need to go say I’m sorry to some people. (12:29)

• I was born with an innate wanting to know “What have you been through, and wonder what it’s like to be them. (14:30)

• You never want to make joining the military an emotional decision. (19:58)

• No one else can be you. (25:58)

• I don’t tell a single war story in the book. It’s a collection of poetry and prose, and the narrative about the healing process. I take people into my sickest, darkest spots. (40:01)

• You’re not you right now. Once they can convince me – I see it in their eyes – my brother – okay, you’re good. That was a dangerous spot and you needed for someone to sit on you for 72 hours, and just be there for you. Don’t let you keep drinking, take you guns, and make sure you’re okay before you give all that stuff back. (44:04)

• I realize my wife needed me, but there was no freaking way I was gonna let my team go back to Afghanistan without me. That’s when I realized I had 2 masters. (45:52)

• When you leave your heart at home and you go to a place like that, it’s easy to lose yourself in the violence, because you no longer have your moral compass leading the way. (46:18)

• I just reminded myself of all the times I didn’t pull the trigger. (47:25)

• There’s a great divide between “Do I go left, or do I go right?” sometimes, don’t go either way. You wait. Waiting is something, because you’re allowing the situation to develop. Who knows? There might be a door right there in front of you that you don’t see yet. (60:03)

• There’s a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path. (63:13)

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In this week's Team Never Quit episode, Marcus & Melanie welcome Jared Ogden, CEO of Triumph Systems and former U.S. Navy SEAL, to the show.

Jared's remarkable journey from leading missions in Afghanistan to leading one of the most innovative training companies in the country is a story of resilience, vision, and transformation. Drawing from real-world tactical experience, Jared created Triumph Systems and the Brass Training System with a singular goal: to enhance the training and preparation of military and law enforcement personnel.

In this episode, Jared shares how instinctual decisions made during deployments shaped his approach to developing cutting-edge training tools that emphasize life-saving decision-making under pressure. He reflects on his transition from being the "arrow" on the battlefield to becoming the "archer" — equipping today’s warriors with the tools they need to succeed. Jared also discusses how Triumph Systems bridges the gap between elite training and accessibility, offering solutions that don't require massive budgets or facilities.

If you're passionate about leadership, innovation, or serving those who protect us, you won’t want to miss this inspiring conversation with a true trailblazer who’s changing the future of tactical training.

• My parents encouraged the kids to find what they’re interested in, to be productive and to live a productive, rewarding life. (5:50).

• The more you can overlap what you’re interested in, and what you’re good at, with what someone will pay you to do, the more successful you will be. (6:05)

At a very early age, I knew what I wanted to do when I grew up. I knew that I wanted to be a Navy SEAL. (7:26)

• I was the honor graduate for my Leatherneck class. (22:49)

• I was yelling at people, and barking out things and orders. Dan walked up to me nonchalantly and said “Jared, calmness is contagious, just talk.” I’ll never forget that. (36:54)

• [During the] first turnover op between us and 7, Dan stepped on a pressure plate. Honestly, he should’ve died that day, but there was a tremendous effort [to help him]. (37:23)

• Do the right thing. In that case, the right thing landed me in a spot on this television show for 2 seasons. (48:08)

• We gotta figure out who we’re gonna take. Problem is there’s no targets, nothing to shoot. So, we take water bottles, piss in them, put ‘em on a fence. And the first handful of guys, commandos, that could shout those from 50 yards – those are the guys that rolled with us. (52:14)

• I’m a warfighter. I’m not an engineer. But along the journey I met some guys who were product engineers. [We developed] a recreational division and a government division – making turning target systems and other targets and software, making people more proficient with their firearms. (53:33)

• Decision-making is one of the most important metrics of people who carry firearms professionally. (61:23)

• The one common ingredient that I have for everything that I’ve done in my life is to do your best. (66:24)

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In this week’s Team Neer Quit podcast, Marcus and Melanie speak with Retired Colonel Hank Donigan—a Marine whose life reads like a battle-hardened adventure novel. From his early days jumping out of airplanes at Fort Benning to leading troops through intense combat in Lebanon, Grenada, and Iraq, Col. Donigan has lived a life of sacrifice, courage, and service.

A graduate of the Naval Academy and a 30-year Marine Corps veteran, Donigan shares the emotional and physical toll of war, including his own battle with PTSD and traumatic brain injury. Yet, rather than slowing down, he has turned pain into purpose—running marathons nearly every week and using each mile to raise awareness and funds for wounded service members through the Semper Fi & America’s Fund. With $85,000 raised in 2023 alone, he stands as the nation’s top individual fundraiser for the cause.

At 68 years old and 46 marathons deep in a single year, Hank embodies resilience, leadership, and hope. In this episode, hear how staying in shape became both a coping mechanism and a mission to inspire others—and why, if given the chance, he’d proudly come back and do it all again as a United States Marine.

Col. Donigan shares his experiences with:

·         Surviving combat in Lebanon and the aftermath of the Beirut barracks bombing

·         The healing power of running and his marathons

·         Raising funds for wounded warriors and their families

·         Leadership, legacy, and living with purpose post-service

 In This Episode You Will Hear:

• We need to do a better job with American history, and make our kids aware of, and proud of our heritage. (1:47)

• I wanted to go where the action was, and was sent to Okinawa to serve battalion force Marines. (11:54)

• The Marine Corps made me a runner. (20:36)

• I had a grandfather who ran the Boston Marathon in 1916, so I always had this dream of running in it. (22:11)

• I was the first Marine Corps finisher [of the Boston Marathon]. (24:24)

• Everybody wants to be the popular guy; the likeable guy. But there are some things that your inexperienced troops don’t know, and you have to be the hard guy – a bit of a prick. But if you’re not willing to do that and you let things slide, people are gonna get hurt and you’re not gonna bring everybody home. (31:31)

• There was a group of engineers that were out playing football. All of a sudden, the first round came in, and one of the marines hit the deck and his helmet rolled off. The next round came in and a piece of shrapnel took the top of his head off. (32:47)

• “Nice guys kill Marines” is something I live by and continue to teach. (33:42)

• I learned how critical fitness was to leadership and combat leadership. (35:47)

• Marcus, three’s things about you, being a SEAL and being a sailor that will be with you till the day you die. (37:45)

• I’ve been able to take veterans in need, and connect them with case workers with a fund and see them get immediate assistance. (41:19)

• Walking is good. If you can get 10,000 steps a day, that really adds up to something good for your health. (45:50)

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In this week’s powerful episode from Team Never Quit, Marcus and Melanie meet with Evangelo “Vann” Morris—a retired Navy Lieutenant Commander, global speaker, and devoted patriot whose service spans over 30 years across the military and government sectors. From humble beginnings in Folsom, Louisiana, to elite missions across 45 countries, Vann’s journey is a masterclass in resilience, leadership, and purpose.

Vann began his career aboard nuclear-powered submarines, receiving intensive training in nuclear propulsion and thermonuclear weaponry before commissioning as an officer. As a Naval leader, he directed high-risk Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions in volatile waters, including a record-setting Colombian drug seizure of 14 metric tons of cocaine.

His distinguished career includes deployments on nearly every type of Navy vessel—from aircraft carriers to submarines—and pivotal roles at the Pentagon, Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne, and U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM). In his final assignments, he served as Combat Systems Officer, Anti-Terrorism Officer, and Tactical Action Officer aboard the USS McCampbell.

Since retiring in 2014, Vann has continued to serve by mentoring Special Operations Forces as an Information Operations Subject Matter Expert. He’s also a passionate public speaker, dedicated to honoring veterans and inspiring the next generation with the enduring message of freedom.

• I’m one of 16 kids on my biological mother’s side, and one of 8 kids on my biological father’s side. (6:09)

• My mother was a sharecropper in Selma, Alabama. (11:47)

• [my brother] Martin was riding on a bike with his big brother. They were crossing the street to get to a general store. As they were crossing the street, here came a car. Within a second, the car was on them. It broke both of [my big brother’s] s legs. He was almost able to do it, but the car clipped his legs broke both of his legs. The car hit Martin, broke his back, snapped his neck and went up into the air, came down, bled out, and died immediately. The car kept going. Our mother was notified, and we never knew what happened. (13:28)

• In my 2nd year as a seventh grader, I was chatty in class and the teacher said: “You see son this is why you’re not gonna be anything in life. This is why you’re gonna be a total failure. As a matter of fact, you’re not gonna do any better than your dad. (15:58)

• The commanding officer starts talking. I called you [twelve] here today to let you know that your grades are phenomenal, your physical fitness test – through the roof, and your attitudes are exactly what we’re looking for. I want all of you to consider becoming a commissioned officer. (28:09)

• I had a metamorphosis of the mind. A paradigm shift had happened in my life. And all of the sudden, what had happened to my big brother - back broken, neck snapped – forgiven; The teacher telling me to go out and bale hay – forgiven, the other teacher saying I’d never be anything and be worse than my father – forgiven. These guys were saying something very different.  Goodness overcame all the bad things that had happened. (28:53)

• I’m taking trauma, and I’m channeling it to purpose. (30:27)

•I really believe that when we die – if we should make it to heaven, I believe that God will take us personally, take us under his arms and say “Let me show you all the people you impacted and knew nothing about.” (32:19)

• You’re gonna have tough times. Don’t think you’ll understand why people are putting you to work in a certain kind of way. (41:39)

• There’s no more dangerous place than to have warfare in the mind. (41:49)

• Don’t give up. (42:21)

• Hard work pays off. You can’t give up. (53:19)

• Even if the reward is not coming to you, and if you are in a position to help them, for the love of God, Help them. (55:28)

• [Melanie] “A lot of times, when we’re in a dark spot, we’re in our own bubble, and we don’t think anybody else sees the work we put in.” (57:12)

• [I told my son] Listen: you can go in the Air Force, you can go to the Marines, you can go to the Army. Just remember this. That Navy paycheck is what fed you. (61:40)

• I am really on a mission to be part of that wave to heal America. (68:48)

• I need to honor the veterans and those who have served. (78:50)

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 In this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus and Melanie are honored to welcome Congressman Jason Crow, who represents Colorado’s Sixth Congressional District.

A former Army Ranger and Bronze Star recipient, Jason brings the heart of a public servant and the grit of a soldier to Congress. From working minimum-wage jobs in high school to deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne Division and elite 75th Ranger Regiment, Jason’s journey is a powerful testament to servant leadership.

 We dive into:

• Jason’s path from working-class roots to the battlefield and into the halls of Congress

•  How his military experience shapes his approach to leadership and legislation

•  His work helping veterans navigate life after service

Tune in for a powerful conversation on service, sacrifice, and putting people before politics.

• I got hooked in the military for college money. (8:00)

• [The military] totally changed the trajectory of my life. (9:54)

• I always make it a point when I run into a Vietnam vet; I say “Welcome Home.” (16:20)

• [Marcus] Q: “Did you sign up for ranger school? What’s that like?”   A: “Well, it sucks.” (20:22)

• Georgia is cold in the winter. It’s just a fuck fest. You’re just cold and tired and hungry for 2 months. (21:05)

• College is good, but I tell a lot of folks is [to learn] a trade. (35:40)

• The civil military divide: How little understanding a lot of people in America have of military service. (39:53)

• To be a veteran advocate, you had to be the squeaky wheel in politics. (41:08)

• Morgan [Luttrell] and I have this bill trying to stop veteran suicides in VA facilities. (43:34)

• We can only make good policy if we have good information. (44:47)

• [Marcus] “You and I don’t need enemies – we have friends.” (48:21)

• [Marcus] “My brother never says anything nice to me.” (48:30)

• [Melanie: Vets should] “Support each other, love each other, lift each other up. Talk shit in a good way. Hold each other accountable.” (49:10)

• The greatest generation fought WWII, defeated fascism, and they came back and became the civic leaders, the political leaders, the business leaders. They set the standard for what citizenship is about. (52:57)

• We have the Bipartisan Veteran Caucus in congress. We call it the Noah’s Ark caucus, because you’ve gotta join with somebody from the other side of the aisle. (54:23)

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