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On this weeks PoM podcast I sit down and talk with Karl Vaters. Karl produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com. 

His heart is to help pastors of small churches (up to 90 percent ) find the resources to lead well, and to capitalize on the unique advantages that come with pastoring a small church – something virtually every pastor will spend at least some of their ministry years doing.

To connect with Karl Vaters: https://karlvaters.com/

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